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Re: Simple transgender explanation
Reply #30 - 08/03/23 at 10:45:30
 
Exc=actly, and data, as flawed as it may be, says 98 to 99% of trans that undergo medical treatment find they have a more satisfying standard of life.
Even if the stats are off by 100 or 200%... the scale still leans far positive.
The majority of children don't start puberty blockers or hormones until their late teens and very few get surgery until over 18.
This is a political issue.  To trans people it's a personal issue.
The Right once again wants to regulate peoples bodily choices.
They are more anti trans than pro children.
The bathroom issue is proof.
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Reply #31 - 08/03/23 at 11:08:28
 
Eegore wrote on 08/03/23 at 08:35:05:
"... I would rather used measured testosterone levels over perceived desire to use a manual transmission as evidence of how much testosterone is in a human."


What I recall  being said was;
"...None of those things are proof of having less testosterone..."
  (which included using a manual transmission)

Or was it, 'IMPLYING ',
that someone said;
'driving a Manual Transmission,
does determine 'testosterone level.'




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Reply #32 - 08/03/23 at 11:41:53
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... says 98 to 99% of trans that undergo medical treatment find they have a more satisfying standard of life...."

Is that "...medical treatment...",
a 'talking to', 'drugs', or 'surgery' ?
What is the proof of that statement ?

Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... children don't start puberty blockers or hormones until their late teens and very few get surgery until over 18. ..."

Please provide the proof of that statment.

Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... The bathroom issue is proof..."

Yes, it's been happening for 100's of years.

And when a 'cross dress/etc' person went into the different bathroom, (according to physical gender), they went their to go to the bathroom.

Today, (Thanks to the FDS DFI WOKE Socialists)
When many (described above) person/people goes into a bathroom,
it is for a ENTIRELY DIFFERENT Reason !




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Re: Simple transgender explanation
Reply #33 - 08/03/23 at 12:37:53
 
Or was it, 'IMPLYING ',
that someone said;
'driving a Manual Transmission,
does determine 'testosterone level.'


 You might infer that, I did not imply or say that.  I said I would rather used measured testosterone levels over perceived desire to use a manual transmission as evidence of how much testosterone is in a human.

 This means perceived interpretations of a "desire" for anything as proof of testosterone levels is not something I would choose.  I would choose physical measured levels of testosterone in humans.  Evidence of  "how much" testosterone means, to me, a "level of" testosterone.


 Erectile dysfunction clinics across the country would most likely indicate a "DESIRE TO BE A MAN" is not a proof of testosterone levels.  Many men that want to be men have lower testosterone.  Desire has no measurable effect on testosterone levels, up or down, which is why it has to be medically addressed by chemicals.
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Reply #34 - 08/03/23 at 14:48:43
 
Eegore wrote on 08/03/23 at 12:37:53:
"... I did not imply or say that ..."


Correct, you did not,
 "... say that ...".

You implied it.
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Reply #35 - 08/03/23 at 15:09:44
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/03/23 at 11:41:53:
Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... says 98 to 99% of trans that undergo medical treatment find they have a more satisfying standard of life...."

Is that "...medical treatment...",
a 'talking to', 'drugs', or 'surgery' ?
What is the proof of that statement ?

Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... children don't start puberty blockers or hormones until their late teens and very few get surgery until over 18. ..."

Please provide the proof of that statment.

Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 10:45:30:
"... The bathroom issue is proof..."

Yes, it's been happening for 100's of years.

And when a 'cross dress/etc' person went into the different bathroom, (according to physical gender), they went their to go to the bathroom.

Today, (Thanks to the FDS DFI WOKE Socialists)
When many (described above) person/people goes into a bathroom,
it is for a ENTIRELY DIFFERENT Reason !





I've posted the studies before... You don't read.
Look them up.
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Reply #36 - 08/03/23 at 15:20:25
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/03/23 at 15:09:44:
"I've posted the studies before... You don't read.
Look them up.


I have looked them up.
I do read.
 (Your Wrong)
And what you have, posted, are well documented UL, FDS, Socialist TDS Disorder, 'opinions'.
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Reply #37 - 08/03/23 at 19:02:45
 
Correct, you did not,
"... say that ...".

You implied it.


 You inferred.  

 I clearly said desire does not influence testosterone, and used manual transmissions as an example for perceived desire, my actual words reflect that.  Just as you used manual transmissions in your example explaining a different aspect of the same topic.

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Reply #38 - 08/04/23 at 11:25:59
 
Eegore wrote on 08/03/23 at 19:02:45:
"... You inferred.  ..."

A-Yep !

I Inferred

WHEN you IMPLIED, I said something I did not !

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Reply #39 - 08/04/23 at 11:47:44
 
You imply with your mouth,... you infer with your ears.
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Reply #40 - 08/04/23 at 12:55:27
 
A-Yep !

I Inferred

WHEN you IMPLIED, I said something I did not !



 I think you just want to make an argument out of everything.  Claiming "imply" this or that allows one to avoid using the actual words typed in. 

 Bottom line is desire does not impact testosterone levels.  Desire to be a man will not increase testosterone, desire to not be a man will not lower it.

 This is why erectile dysfunction clinics are a multi-million dollar industry, puberty blockers exist, certain steroids, etc.  Testosterone has to be chemically altered, a human can't desire the levels to be lower or higher.
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Reply #41 - 08/05/23 at 11:41:53
 
Quote:
Serowbot wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023, 12:45pm:
"... children don't start puberty blockers or hormones until their late teens and very few get surgery until over 18. ..."


Puberty is 10-12 (+/-).   Easily 6 to 8 YEARS of Puberty Blockers !

Before parts get cut off.

Now, WHO, pays for the, 'Puberty Blockers' ?


The Progressive Socialists who demand it ?
The Hospital/clinics that get paid for them ?
The Drug Companies who make them ?

Is it everyone with insurance,
paying a higher rate ?

Is it the people, with out insurance,
that gets them for free
(paid out of someone else's Tax dollar) ?

Sounds like no more Chrome Gas Tanks.
Gotta save that money to give to someone  else,
for puberty Blockers.
And the 95+% of killing babies
for convenience/birth control.

Yes Virginia.
People DO have the RIGHT, to a Abortion, Puberty Blockers, ETC, ,,,

They do NOT have the RIGHT,
to have what they want,
by using someone else's money.

Hey, I WANT, a 3 wheel Recumbent, Under Seat Steering Bike.
Who wants to GIVE ME ONE !!!!!!!!!!

And Yes Virginia, (don't get your panties in a bunch).
Their ARE people that need help.
Yes we should all help them.

Just NOT help the Gimmes, JUST BECAUSE  they say, GIMME.




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Re: Simple transgender explanation
Reply #42 - 08/05/23 at 14:31:45
 
I just Don't understand how people old enough to remember society before ten years ago can't see a continuation of decline in America, and WHO is driving social POLICIES.

Ohh,wait!! We're talking about the same people who believe that
Guns enter the No Gun places and cause death and destruction in the NoGun places,, WHILE NOT CAUSING DEATH AND DESTRUCTION IN THE STATES WITH THE SURPLUSES.


The immoral, the stupid, ??
That IS what the left supports.

But the evidence that what they believe is WRONG ?? They ignore it.

Will NOT have the conversation.


That right there is called
The Forum Gauntlet..

Pick it up.
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Re: Simple transgender explanation
Reply #43 - 08/05/23 at 15:10:58
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/05/23 at 14:31:45:
I just Don't understand how people old enough to remember society before ten years ago can't see a continuation of decline in America, and WHO is driving social POLICIES.




That right there is called
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Pick it up.

I can't... I agree.
Things were better ten years ago,... before tRump.  When Obama was in charge.
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Reply #44 - 08/05/23 at 15:21:19
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/05/23 at 15:10:58:
"...  When Obama was in charge.


Nope Bamba, was a FEEDER of the Me Me Me, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME, mentality.

And now we are seeing his DESTRUCTION !


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