CDC says; “…COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for persons who are pregnant, breastfeeding, trying to get pregnant now, or who might become pregnant in the future, to protect them from COVID-19.§ Infants are at risk for life-threatening complications from COVID-19, including acute respiratory failure (1). Evidence from other vaccine-preventable diseases suggests that maternal immunization can provide protection to infants, especially during the high-risk first 6 months of life, through passive transplacental antibody transfer (2). Recent studies of COVID-19 vaccination during pregnancy suggest the possibility of transplacental transfer of SARS-CoV-2–specific antibodies that might provide protection to infants…”

PBS says; “… from 1929 to 1982, Hoyert said the U.S. saw a “continuous decrease” in maternal mortality… …rates reveal the drastic increase in these deaths during a short period of time. In 2018, the U.S. maternal mortality rate was 17.4 deaths per 100,000 live births. But by 2021, during the first full year of the pandemic, that rate surged to 32.9 deaths for every 100,000 live births…”

NEJM says ;“… Maternal vaccination may have dual benefits; vaccination provides pregnant persons with protection and may also provide the added benefit of protecting their infants… …Many complications of Covid-19 in the general population are preventable through vaccination. Studies have shown that the mRNA vaccines (BNT162b2 [Pfizer–BioNTech] and mRNA-1273 [Moderna]) have been highly effective in preventing severe Covid-19 during pregnancy.3,4 Data also support the safety of Covid-19 vaccination during pregnancy, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends Covid-19 vaccination, including boosters when eligible, for persons who are pregnant or plan to become pregnant…. …The effectiveness of maternal vaccination against hospitalization for Covid-19 among infants was 52%… “

KFF says; “…it may sometimes be hard to determine the primary cause of death for someone with significant underlying health conditions, though these data are intended to be limited to cases where COVID-19 was a significant contributor to the death…”

POLITFACT (well known UL lean) says; “…A U.S. database aiming to monitor vaccine side effects has recorded more than 400 reports of miscarriages following a COVID-19 injection. But agencies overseeing the database say that the number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of potential problems associated with vaccines…”

HIH says; (An official website of the United States government) says; “…Vaccines have been developed at "warp speed" to combat the COVID-19 pandemic caused by the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Although they are considered the best approach for preventing mortality, when assessing the safety of these vaccines, pregnant women have not been included in clinical trials. Thus, vaccine safety for this demographic, as well as for the developing fetus and neonate, remains to be determined. A global effort has been underway to encourage pregnant women to get vaccinated despite the uncertain risk posed to them and their offspring…
…The authors declare that the research was conducted in the absence of any commercial or financial relationships that could be construed as a potential conflict of interest… “

Shades of;  
Thalidomide babies were the result of
one pharmaceutical company's
coverups and dark past.

So your opinion is that these groups of people all have a different take, opinion, bias, and are using different data, interpreted a different way, on the subject.  

The subject being, (various takes on),

‘do pregnant women, who have had the shot, have more miscarriages than before’

How would a person come to a yes/no conclusion on,
‘…‘do pregnant women, who have had the shot, have more miscarriages…’

Who is Correct ?

Schrodingers Truth.

Eegore wrote on 06/18/23 at 07:00:39:


Still confused.

Do women who are pregnant, who have gotten the c-19 (variant) vaccine, have more miscarriages than those that don't ?

The statements from the few sources I listed in the first post, have been determined to be; "...Almost all of it is CDC sourced information...".

So when fullfact.org says; "...There is no scientific reason the vaccine might be expected to affect pregnancy. A new, as yet not peer-reviewed, study looking at 2,456 pregnant women who got an mRNA vaccine (such as those from Moderna or Pfizer) before they conceived or up to 20 weeks found there was no increased chance of miscarriage...."

And when.medical.net  Says;  "... The average miscarriage rate among pregnant women receiving any COVID-19 vaccines was 9%. The risk of miscarriage among the COVID-19 vaccinated group, compared with the unvaccinated group, showed no significant difference in miscarriage rate ..."


Then.statnews.com says; "... Sometimes when scientists study things, they come up with results they didn’t expect, can’t explain, and may secretly wish they’d never sought. A new journal article looking at whether getting a flu shot during pregnancy increases a woman’s risk of miscarrying may be one such case. The article reports that at least in the 2010-11 and 2011-12 influenza seasons, pregnant women who were vaccinated against flu may have been at a higher risk of suffering a miscarriage — but only if they had also received a flu shot in the previous year as well..."
 (Yes Vigrnia it says Flu shot not c-19 shot, yet many people believe the 'annual' flus shot is in the same, 'efective' range as the c-19 varents).

So again 3 more opinions, differ. (and just in two days, the majority of, 'places' deny and provide different reasons, it is not true)

"...Schrodingers Truth...."

So again, if someone is looking for info, and is told a thing called, 'Thalidomide', is perfectly safe.
Should they believe the c-19 varieties are 'safe' or not ?

Still confused.

Do women who are pregnant, who have gotten the c-19 (variant) vaccine, have more miscarriages than those that don't ?

The statements from the few sources I listed in the first post, have been determined to be; "...Almost all of it is CDC sourced information...".


 So when you read through those articles and looked at the references provided for their outcomes, where are those references from?  My examination, and their own statements indicate the CDC.  The CDC, PBS, and the NEJM references you offered contain the largest data-pools and those are from CDC information.  Most of the actual data is CDC sourced.  What is confusing about that?  All of the information about miscarriages you provided says black women had the most miscarriages, and are the least vaccinated.  




So when fullfact.org says; "...There is no scientific reason the vaccine might be expected to affect pregnancy. A new, as yet not peer-reviewed, study looking at 2,456 pregnant women who got an mRNA vaccine (such as those from Moderna or Pfizer) before they conceived or up to 20 weeks found there was no increased chance of miscarriage...."

And when.medical.net  Says;  "... The average miscarriage rate among pregnant women receiving any COVID-19 vaccines was 9%. The risk of miscarriage among the COVID-19 vaccinated group, compared with the unvaccinated group, showed no significant difference in miscarriage rate ..."

Then.statnews.com says; "... Sometimes when scientists study things, they come up with results they didn’t expect, can’t explain, and may secretly wish they’d never sought. A new journal article looking at whether getting a flu shot during pregnancy increases a woman’s risk of miscarrying may be one such case. The article reports that at least in the 2010-11 and 2011-12 influenza seasons, pregnant women who were vaccinated against flu may have been at a higher risk of suffering a miscarriage — but only if they had also received a flu shot in the previous year as well..."
(Yes Vigrnia it says Flu shot not c-19 shot, yet many people believe the 'annual' flus shot is in the same, 'efective' range as the c-19 varents).

So again 3 more opinions, differ. (and just in two days, the majority of, 'places' deny and provide different reasons, it is not true)


 I would say the first two opinions do not differ, and the third is about a totally different medication.  The first two claim miscarriages do not increase with the Covid vaccines.  The third says miscarriages do increase with a flu shot.  




"(Yes Vigrnia it says Flu shot not c-19 shot, yet many people believe the 'annual' flus shot is in the same, 'efective' range as the c-19 varents)"

 Effectiveness on treating two different illnesses is irrelevant if the chemistry of the medication is not consistently similar.  Flu shots are not MRNA Covid vaccines made at "Warp Speed" with almost no clinical trials, they have decades of documented development cycles.  I would not use flu shots as a comparison to Covid vaccines as the chemistry of them share minimal similarities.  The political nonsense behind them is similar, but the physical chemistry is not.

 If we use "effective range" as the only criteria for comparing miscarriage danger we might as well say any medication with the same timeframe of effectiveness as a Covid vaccine is also potentially causing miscarriages.  That makes no sense.  The drug chemistry causes miscarriages, not the timeframe they are effective.



So again, if someone is looking for info, and is told a thing called, 'Thalidomide', is perfectly safe.
Should they believe the c-19 varieties are 'safe' or not ?



 If using Thalidomide as a comparative value, and not miscarriage rates,  the political component is similar in many medications.  This in theory should apply to all known medications as they enter the market.  Any medication could be a future Thalidomide.

 I wouldn't use any other medication research as evidence that a different medication is safe unless that medication shares a similar physical chemistry.  I would however use a history of politics, finance policy/records and sociological research to look into issues like Thalidomide.

 So to avoid confusion: I wouldn't try to spin the data, I won't even read, to make claims that medications like Thalidomide/flu-shot and the Covid vaccine are dangerous because they are similar in some way.  I would instead use political research, with information I actually read through, to offer evidence as to why I am suspicious.

 I would not copy/paste articles I never read, then argue with people who read them for me.

Eegore wrote on 06/18/23 at 10:52:28:


In a event that something, (like a new, rushed, experimental, unproven vaccine), is developed.
Then at a later time it is discovered that it is not what it is touted to be.
And when it is clear that something is being hid.

At what point does the, " ... I do not agree ...", happen?

In a event that something, (like a new, rushed, experimental, unproven vaccine), is developed.
Then at a later time it is discovered that it is not what it is touted to be.
And when it is clear that something is being hid.

At what point does the, " ... I do not agree ...", happen?



 The "I do not agree" statement that you quoted happens Before.  

 I do not agree that "before" evidence exists I should decide what the future will be and then only look for information that proves me right.  And of all places, on the internet where anything can be found, like proof the Earth is flat for instance.  Anybody can take a guess at something then find information online that proves them right, especially when they refuse to read, or even discuss with others what they are using as evidence.

 

Serowbot wrote on 06/19/23 at 16:29:38:


Yep, it was about the information on miscarry/s if vaccination occurred.
And the different takes on the subject,
Depending on how the stats were played/used, and  political POV.

Then, when it became so apparent, and proven so well, that Steve Wonder, AND Ray Charles could see the c-19 ‘push’, was to do something else.

    I called them lies.  

But perhaps a T.D.S. sufferer, has another name/description on the, experimental drug/vaccine, that the government forced ALL taxpayers to pay for it.

Then tried to make it MANDATORY.

 What would a FDS, UL, DFI, Socialist call it ?