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05/17/23 at 15:07:19
 
We're one of those places now... ain't it great?

What other countries say about the gun violence problem in the U.S.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/countries-gun-violence-problem-shooting-us-canada-...
At least seven nations have issued advisories to their citizens who intend on traveling to the U.S., citing serious safety concerns in recent years. New Zealand, Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom, France, Venezuela and Uruguay have each urged precaution for travelers when visiting the U.S., due in large part to gun violence.
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Reply #1 - 05/17/23 at 15:09:49
 
Yeah, and remove the statistics from YOUR places and America falls Way down the list.
You're the arsonist condemning the burned down buildings.
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Reply #2 - 05/17/23 at 21:47:40
 
A guy was on a game show,
He won 1st place.
It was a weeks stay in a fancy downtown Chicago hotel.

He said;
‘What is 2nd place”

The MC said ;
2nd place is a lovely 3 day stay in a great hotel in District 5 Mpls MN.

He said;
‘What is 3rd place’

The MC said;
3rd place is overnight in a 2 person tent, in the middle of ND in Jan.

He took, 3rd place.


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #3 - 05/18/23 at 03:45:09
 
The majority of gun violence in the US is black on black crime in inner cities. Remember, when you look at gun violence statistics on websites, they include suicide. I say they do this to hide the fact that most murders are black on black. Most suicides are white. So they put those two together so the reality about the violent black culture in inner cities is hidden from view.
According to the FBI statistics for 2019, they were about 6500 actual murders. Despite being only 12 or 13% of the overall population, blacks accounted for the majority of perpetrators and victims.

If you were a French citizen coming to visit the US you’re not going to visit ghetto neighborhoods in North St. Louis for example, or the $hithole neighborhoods in Chicago where 3 or 4 black men are killed practically everyday. That doesn’t mean you’re safe elsewhere in the city, but common sense tells you where not to go. I tell everyone to stay the hell out of downtown St. Louis city especially at night unless you’re going to a ball game or soccer game and you’re traveling in a group and you don’t take public transportation and you park your car in the garage nearby. And it helps to go with somebody who has a gun and knows how to use it. But even still, if your number comes up, it comes out. There’s very little police in downtown St. Louis. It’s actually getting really out of control.

This is just an opportunity for those countries to make a political statement that wacko leftist who hate themselves so take it out on everyone else, use cowardly statements like these countries made as a political club.

Those countries and US politicians don’t really want to say the truth. Open this link and take a look at the picture and tell me what you see.

https://mass-shootings.info/

After you do that, STFU cowardly leftist.
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Reply #4 - 05/18/23 at 07:12:55
 
Remember in 2002,
Rumsfeld stated it was,
Safer in Baghdad
     Then DC.


Remember the Lefties screaming about that FACT.

Only change is MORE UL, DFI, FDS, Woke, Socialists.
Because of the support of the ILLEGALS ‘Voting’ !
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #5 - 05/18/23 at 07:32:28
 
Thanks for playing, Row.

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Reply #6 - 05/19/23 at 05:20:03
 
 This is just an opportunity for those countries to make a political statement that wacko leftist who hate themselves so take it out on everyone else, use cowardly statements like these countries made as a political club.

Those countries and US politicians don’t really want to say the truth. Open this link and take a look at the picture and tell me what you see.



 So it took a little bit but I managed to get 4 consults from international advisory councils and 3 Embassy policy advisors to give me some more information as my experience here has been very limited and is dated as it's been almost 10 years since I've contributed directly to Dept. of State risk assessments.  I would prefer to have closer to 20 sources, but that's going to take forever.

 Obviously part of an assessment towards level of violence and risk are political, but I would say a fair share of it is simple number crunching done by people wanting to keep their jobs.  If you read the actual warnings provided by Serowbot, they are rather ambiguous, and only a few mention firearm violence by Americans as a risk.

 For instance when one of the Haiti travel risk announcements were made, it was based on two total events, kidnappings to be specific.  However the percentage of US and French citizen kidnappings were so low at that time, that the percentage value hit the risk alert threshold.  So the analysts made the recommendation, in part due to numbers, but mostly due to making themselves appear valuable.  

 The politicians of course had their own reasons for issuing the alert as well.  But at the end of the day minimal, if any, actual research is done about politics, race, culture etc. when travel warnings are issued.  I would say the information Webstermark presents is accurate, (something I am sure will not be Observed by some) however the race, cultural influences, and location of these humans involved in shootings, in the US,  are not calculated in the travel advisory.  My experience has been US politics like Democrats/Republican etc. mean about zero to most humans outside the US anyway, so I'd be very surprised if any travel advisory was using that type of information.

 For instance how much do any of us really pay attention to the two primary political parties in France?
 
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Reply #7 - 05/19/23 at 06:05:30
 
My main point would be to remember the picture of the mass shooters on that website the next time there’s a random mass shooting and we get inundated with leftist idiots calling for gun control and halting the sale and ownership of all those scary looking black military assault weapons.

Leftist like to use those huge mass shooting numbers but they don’t want to dig into the actual data because if they did, they would find out random mass shootings are extremely rare. Calls for banning those scary, looking black assault rifles after a random shootings would be like calls to forbid anybody to live in the entire state of Kansas after a big tornado.

Countries that issue travel bands are either incredibly stupid and don’t realize what’s happening or they’re just doing it to gain political favor with the leftist politicians and journalists.

And no, I don’t know crap about the politics of France. You know why? I don’t have to. They need to know about my politics, but I don’t need to know about theirs.
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"Countries that issue travel bands are either incredibly stupid and don’t realize what’s happening or they’re just doing it to gain political favor with the leftist politicians and journalists."

 I think both of these are true, and I also think the analyst metrics I personally have witnessed and contributed to take part.  I don't think there is a real value for a whole other country to gain favor with leftist journalists and to use a simple travel advisory to do it.  I bet most of them don't even know what political leanings a journalist has when creating this type of travel advisory, or care where or if it gets published on some random US website or newscast.  A politician might, but a country as a whole I doubt does.  

 They care about our journalism as much as you do about theirs.  I think maybe you are giving too much credit to US journalism when hardly anyone has issued travel warnings related to US gun violence, if this was a legitimate tool, there would be more warnings out there especially by anti-US countries.

 My experience is most people don't care at all about US Leftist or Rightist anything.  Including analysts that just pull up random statistics.


And no, I don’t know crap about the politics of France. You know why? I don’t have to. They need to know about my politics, but I don’t need to know about theirs.

 My experience is this is how most people feel, even humans in other countries, they think their politics are more important than yours or mine.  Why anyone overseas would "need" to know about yours, or my politics I do not know.  Nothing about my political assessments influence international guidance or policy.

 
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Reply #9 - 05/20/23 at 06:58:35
 
Eegore wrote on 05/19/23 at 05:20:03:
 " So it took a little bit but I managed to get 4 consults from international advisory councils and 3 Embassy policy advisors to give me some more information ... "  


Questions;
Which Countries were the 4 "... 4 consults from international advisory councils ..." from ?

Which "... 3 Embassy policy advisors ..." were US Citizens and advising in what Foreign Embassy's , and/or a advisor from a different  country, and if so what Country/s.


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"Which Countries were the 4 "... 4 consults from international advisory councils ..." from ?"

 UK, Canada, Sudan, Columbia.


Which "... 3 Embassy policy advisors ..." were US Citizens and advising in what Foreign Embassy's , and/or a advisor from a different  country, and if so what Country/s.

 I didn't say they were US citizens.  Kuwait, UK, Brazil.  Since my post I have added France and Peru.
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Reply #11 - 05/21/23 at 04:28:21
 
My experience is this is how most people feel, even humans in other countries, they think their politics are more important than yours or mine.  Why anyone overseas would "need" to know about yours, or my politics I do not know.  Nothing about my political assessments influence international guidance or policy.


That’s not been my experience at all. I’ve been to 8 or 9 European or Asian countries and since I always talk politics, everyone I spoke to was very familiar withUS politics. I remember a conversation in Taiwan when Hilary Clinton was talking about running the first time (before her healthcare stance, and did that before it really got started) and they were terrified of Hillary Clinton as a president. There was talk that Newt Gingrich should run.

I work for Swedish company now and when we’re on conference calls and the side talk turns to politics, they know 100 times more what’s going on in my country that I know what’s going on in their country.
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Reply #12 - 05/21/23 at 07:34:37
 
“… they know 100 times more what’s going on in my country that I know what’s going on in their country. …”

      Exactly my experience.

10 weeks in Europe in 1974, (Eurail Pass/hitchhiking) 12 Countries.
2 weeks in Denmark in 1989. (Allborg area)
2 weeks in the UK in 2001 (The big ‘Game Fair) And all around Wales.

Not a lot of time spent in Europe,  BUT EVERYONE, talked about Americas Politics.

My, ‘Observed Experience’, showed most Europe people, know more about America Politics, than the majority of American People.

In fact, at the CLA tent, (CLA  Kinna like the NRA here), after talking  to a gal about things, then telling her I am from the USA so I can’t be a member, (but I put money in the donation pot).

Spur of the moment I said;
 ‘You know the new DNA testing showed that Tony Blair and Bill Clinton are long lost brothers’.
She Bent over laughing !!!!!!
Then I had to stand there for a 1/2 hour, telling that over and over for many people she called over.
That was a Friday morning.

Sat Afternoon, walked up to a beer wagon, ordered, and the gal serving said;
“ Oh A Yank !  Did You Know Your President and Tony Blair are Brothers ?”

Just don’t understand why someone , who says they have spent lot’s of time, and frequently go overseas, says;
… My experience is this is how most people feel, even humans in other countries, thy think their politics are more important than yours or mine.  Why anyone overseas would "need" to know about yours, or my politics I do not know….”

When two people, with no attachment to ‘government’, have completely different experience.

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Reply #13 - 05/21/23 at 15:33:14
 
That’s not been my experience at all. I’ve been to 8 or 9 European or Asian countries and since I always talk politics, everyone I spoke to was very familiar withUS politics.

 I think there is a difference in regard to being familiar with US politics and thinking US politics is more important than their own.  In either case I still don't think travel advisory analysts take a reporter's political leanings into account when running the metrics.  A politician would, an analyst would be much less likely to do that.


"I work for Swedish company now and when we’re on conference calls and the side talk turns to politics, they know 100 times more what’s going on in my country that I know what’s going on in their country."

 I can see that happening, however I do not think there is a "need" for any of them to know Your political assessments.  I am sure they can live their own lives fruitfully without knowing anything about your political stance on things, or anything at all about US politics.

 None of this impacts travel advisories anyway, I read all of them since 1998, and it's all pretty generic.  I doubt any of them were designed specifically to be used maliciously for any one US political party, they were probably used to influence politics in their own country first.  
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Reply #14 - 05/22/23 at 05:29:35
 
Of course US politics is more important. With a small percentage of the world’s population, we influence virtually every nation because our economy touches everyone.

And everywhere I’ve been, someone speaks English. There’s a reason for that. You could say it goes back to the fact  the sun never sets on the British empire, which is true, but also has to do with the fact that American economic policy invades every nation. So therefore, they have to know about me, I don’t have to know about them.

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