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Reply #30 - 03/04/23 at 10:08:10
 
Similar, but not Identical.  My understanding is the doj information encompasses all the cases for J6.  The Americangulag information that was cited lists cases where individuals are detained or in prison.  From my brief search the doj is investigating 2k people from their activities on J6.  1,003 have been formally charged, and 476 have plead guilty.  It is a bit easier to sort through the information as half of it was already queried.  

 I agree with that.  My assessment is my source showing the legal documents is showing identical legal documents as yours.  To me, they are both useful.  

 AmericanGulag has some discrepancies, maybe due to private upkeep, but in general it is providing accurate information.  For instance it is claiming some individuals on GPS monitoring are "incarcerated", which I do not agree is accurate.

 So far, every single person on there has a trial waiver, has chosen to extend by admitting new evidence, or didn't go over the timeline.

 Also, again to my original point, none of the people incarcerated are charged with only unlawful entry.  The walked-in-and-did-nothing guys don't appear to have any time in jail, yet I am shown video of them, and told they are "rotting in jail".  

 
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Reply #31 - 03/05/23 at 07:23:39
 
none of the people incarcerated are charged with only unlawful entry.


That must make it ok...................

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Reply #32 - 03/05/23 at 08:34:46
 
pg wrote on 03/04/23 at 09:25:25:
Similar, but not Identical.  My understanding is the doj information encompasses all the cases for J6.  The Americangulag information that was cited lists cases where individuals are detained or in prison.  From my brief search the doj is investigating 2k people from their activities on J6.  1,003 have been formally charged, and 476 have plead guilty.  It is a bit easier to sort through the information as half of it was already queried.  

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I like that you said plead and not pleaded...
This pleaded thing gets on my nerves... it just don't sound right.
I swear I don't remember hearing pleaded in past decades.

Are we going to start saying we readed a book next?  Tongue
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Reply #33 - 03/05/23 at 08:47:14
 
"That must make it ok..................."

 It makes the repeated claim that people that "just walked around" are "rotting in jail" inaccurate.  They weren't incarcerated.  We have been shown a video multiple times of people that only walked, casually, into the Capitol and were told they are/were in jail.  That's not true.

 Why should we be expected to ignore that?

 Why should I accept lies as telling the truth?  Why would you?
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Reply #34 - 03/05/23 at 10:20:05
 
It has been said:
“… I agree with that.  
My assessment is my source showing the legal documents
is showing identical legal documents as yours.  …”

  Then:
“…  AmericanGulag has some discrepancies ...”
 Which is it ?

As to, ‘on the bracelet’,  it is incarceration,  just a different location.

Just a few excerpts from:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/incarcerated-home-rise-ankle-monitors-...
“… Researchers are finding that ankle monitors are keeping people connected to the prison system longer than ever, as more remain strapped to the devices for over a year.

researchers who study recidivism say the surveillance devices hurt people trying to get their life on track after prison and that there’s no evidence the technology is rehabilitative.

said James Kilgore, …  “Instead we’re going to slap this thing on them so we can track them, and we can keep them locked up in their house.”

at least 30 states, agencies require those who are placed in an electronic monitor to pay between $2 and $20 a day to wear one, not including activation fees that some counties tack on,

"People are supposed to have a presumption of innocence," said Patrice James, director of community justice at the Chicago-based Shriver Center on Poverty Law. "But when you put people on electronic monitoring, you’ve not solved the incarceration problem. It just shifts the jail cell to inside our communities, inside our apartment complexes and to our residential blocks."

Ankle monitors can be so expensive that some people in the system must choose between paying rent or their electronic monitor fees,
For adults in electronic monitors in Chicago, their homes are subject to warrantless searches

“Viewing electronic surveillance as an alternative to incarceration furthers and perpetuates a dangerous false binary between incarceration or monitoring and ignores an obvious third option, which is freedom,”  …”


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"...It is a shackle, rather than a bracelet.
The rules for wearing a monitor are far more restrictive than most people realize.
Most devices today have GPS tracking,
recording every movement and potentially
eroding rights in ways you can’t imagine.

They severely curtail the freedoms
of those who are given a device
before they've even been convicted. ..."

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Reply #35 - 03/05/23 at 12:22:08
 
"It has been said:
“… I agree with that.  
My assessment is my source showing the legal documents
is showing identical legal documents as yours.  …”
 Then:
“…  AmericanGulag has some discrepancies ...”
Which is it ?"


 Both.  Both show identical documents, and one has discrepancies.  The websites are not identical, the documents within them are.  Americangulag does not include every legal document, they have omitted some documents, for instance they have some documents under the incorrect human US Citizen's name.


As to, ‘on the bracelet’,  it is incarceration,  just a different location.

 I am using the dictionary definition, not personal opinion.  It indicates "in" a jail or prison.  I consider the word "incarceration" and only the word "incarceration" with the exclusion of all other known words to mean currently "inside" a physical prison or jail structure.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incarceration


 You can interpret the word however you want.


 None of this makes the repeated claim that the human US Citizen's shown on the video here are "rotting IN jail" as inside a physical jail, true.  Almost every one that "walked around" was ticketed and or placed on probation of some kind.
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Reply #36 - 03/05/23 at 12:23:55
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/05/23 at 08:34:46:
"... it just don't sound right..."


When someone says they have a gun,
        and I can't have one.

'it just don't sound right'






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Reply #37 - 03/05/23 at 12:25:18
 

 Except Serowbot didn't say that he can have a gun and you can not.
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Reply #38 - 03/06/23 at 06:21:53
 
Except Serowbot didn't say that he can have a gun and you can not.


The issue is he supports gun control, yet he still owns firearms.  We have asked him in the past if he has relinquished ownership of his weapons and the answer was crickets..............

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Reply #39 - 03/06/23 at 08:16:39
 

The issue is he supports gun control, yet he still owns firearms.  We have asked him in the past if he has relinquished ownership of his weapons and the answers was crickets..............

 The question should be, does he own the type of firearm he wants banned.

 If he thinks shotguns for example should be banned, but owns a pistol, that's reasonable.
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Reply #40 - 03/06/23 at 14:16:17
 
Not understanding what the second amendment is about is not reasonable.

The second amendment was written by men who had been forced to overthrow the government. It's NOT permission for Us to have guns. It's a declaration that the government has no right to stop us from having weapons. Weapons of War, read the founding fathers quotes.
Does anyone Not understand the second amendment, or is it just that they Know More about how everything works and THEIR ideas would make for a better world, so the second amendment needs modified? And why would Anyone listen to what a lefty has to say? Would it be because of the Yuge successes that anyone can see by looking at the results of the model they have used? Which shall we use to weigh and measure the benefits of The Lefty Ideology? Chicago? St.Louis? Hey!! I know!

Let the lefties who want to change anything point out Where they have been running things,,, how long and they have been running things and show how Good it is for the Citizens.
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Reply #41 - 03/06/23 at 15:25:47
 
I owned a mandolin once... never played it.

Haven't shot gun in decades.
Just lost interest.
Don't carry.
Don't live in fear.
But I do know how they work.
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Reply #42 - 03/06/23 at 15:36:47
 

It's a declaration that the government has no right to stop us from having weapons. Weapons of War, read the founding fathers quotes.

 Where did this quote come from?  I've seen it posted on Twitter, but not any historical reference.
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Reply #43 - 03/06/23 at 17:25:59
 
J Mac wrote on 03/04/23 at 05:44:41:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/02/23 at 05:45:21:
It's Not Necessary for it to be New. What is important is to continue to shine the light on the lies. That is Not what violent insurrection Looks like, but the rabid left insist that is what it is. People are rotting in jail for two years with no bail. YEAH, lefties Sukk.


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I agree.  It (J6) seems about as orchestrated as the Whitmer kidnapping.  How many times in history have stooges been used like puppets to manipulate public opinion the way the "gummit" handlers desire?



https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/jan-6-footage-shows-cops-bringing-qanon-shaman-to-
senate-floor/


“The tapes show the Capitol police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.”

Then they escort him to various entrances of the chamber which appear to be locked. Eventually they help him open a door, and he enters the chamber.

Chansley, a 33-year-old naval veteran from Arizona, has been jailed for almost four years for “obstructing an official proceeding.”


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Re: Picking cherries
Reply #44 - 03/06/23 at 18:28:53
 
The past tense of "plead" is "pled" or "pleaded".  English is obviously quite irregular, given the past tense of "read" is "read" (not red)  Wink


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Serowbot wrote on 03/05/23 at 08:34:46:
pg wrote on 03/04/23 at 09:25:25:
Similar, but not Identical.  My understanding is the doj information encompasses all the cases for J6.  The Americangulag information that was cited lists cases where individuals are detained or in prison.  From my brief search the doj is investigating 2k people from their activities on J6.  1,003 have been formally charged, and 476 have plead guilty.  It is a bit easier to sort through the information as half of it was already queried.  

Best regards,

I like that you said plead and not pleaded...
This pleaded thing gets on my nerves... it just don't sound right.
I swear I don't remember hearing pleaded in past decades.

Are we going to start saying we readed a book next?  Tongue

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