"And one reason you need a wall instead of electronic monitoring. Another systems is that they can just be ordered abandon by one political administration as soon as they figure out immigration is valuable for them.
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 A $60 Home Depot ladder solves the problem for any drug smuggler or group of immigrants.  Literally an unstaffed/unfunded wall is mitigated with a ladder, so an "abandoned" wall is no better than an abandoned thermal seismic sensor.  I don't see the fiscal responsibility in putting the billions of dollars into a wall across the entire border, its mitigated in full by cheap ladders.



A wall works just fine for all these countries...............

 Yeah they aren't staffed almost exclusively by their military, just built and left there and nobody crosses.........

 Just put yourself in a drug smuggler's position.  Do you think a metal wall by itself would stop you from going over it?  I'd be all about walls if the cost to build them was reasonable, but you get more bang for your buck using methods that aren't easily mitigated with a ladder one could make with old pallets for free.

Eegore wrote on 01/24/23 at 16:23:51:



We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents.  Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border.

Best regards,

We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents.  Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border.

 I don't either.  A wall wont stop a guy with a ladder, but if it were staffed then it would allow for a delayed response.

 But that then again puts us into a situation of antiquating a system that is proven to work with modern methods and technology.  Staff people on guard towers with binoculars instead of giving them automated 24/7 sensor tech and drones.  They should probably use typewriters to make requests and send them on horseback in mail bags when they need to stop a group of migrants with ladders.


"I said that is not an accurate statement.  I don't believe it is 'pretty much all."

 Ahh ok.

Put walls where they help, use modern technology where its most useful.

That sounds reasonable.

But while the people running things appear to hate America and want to destroy it, it's Not going to matter. Biden opened the border. Say it is not happening all you want.

I woke up this morning with some fresh ideas;

If a wall is not possible, let's think about a channel. The advantage is that it is much more difficult to build a tunnel under it. And that people wearing wet clothes are probably from Mexico.

I suggest we make a decision before the weekend and find a suitable president to run it all.

Let's say that next Wednesday we start with infrastructure for tasty sandwiches and cold beer. (its hot out there)

We'll hire Mexican immigrant contractors and say we want them to make a pretty long and horizontal thing, to make the landscape great again.

We make sure they all work on the Mexican side so the immigration problem is solved wen there ready.

We do not pay until it has become apparent that no one can cross the border anymore.

Then we print leaflet on how to solve drug related gang activities.
And throw that over the wall.
And when they have solved the problem we invite them to teach us how they did it.

In short, we will never see them again.


We can also try to keep Biden alive so that things get so bad here, that we have to build a wall to keep everyone in.
Even the fat people will want to get out, the border will look like wallmart.
Fat people will crawl over each other trying to get over the wall.

In that respect a channel is better because then we can use fat people as rafts.

So what's it going to be guys?

Edit: I also have ideas on how to invade mexico.
Anyone interested?

Eegore wrote on 01/24/23 at 21:20:43:




Seems to me a Coupla weeks ago you were thinking biden hadn't actually changed the policy that Trump had been working .

You can pack the snark away

We have 20K Border Patrol agents, 20K ICE agents and 240K Homeland Security agents.  Last year we had 2.76M illegals cross the border, I have no problem with the military at our border.


And that’s why we need a physical barrier. We have the people and technology, but we don’t have the political will. So remove that from the equation. At least make it a little harder than it is now, FFS.

Seems to me a Coupla weeks ago you were thinking biden hadn't actually changed the policy that Trump had been working .

You can pack the snark away


 That's why I asked instead of repeatedly insisting my opinion is factual without doing any research and refusing to even look at information people present to me.  I never said Biden's border policy was good, and thinking walls are costly and inefficient doesn't mean I love Biden and want open borders.