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Reply #15 - 11/07/22 at 11:05:47
 
...and you think I'm dumb?

Not at all. I think you’re a hyper partisan infected with TDS that has blinded you. Only a partisan would think targeting the oil companies with excessive taxes will caused them to lower the price. The temptation to do this is your natural tendency toward Socialism/communism. You just can’t get it out of your head that allowing the free market to compete with reasonable limits imposed, is the best method to ensure supply and reasonable price. A windfall profit tax is not a reasonable limit.



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Reply #16 - 11/07/22 at 11:22:29
 
The market always corrects itself, ALWAYS.  The government interaction is what caused the disruption on the supply side.  Further government action will only exacerbate the problem.  e.g. Venezuela

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Reply #17 - 11/07/22 at 11:43:20
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/22 at 08:41:30:
WebsterMark wrote on 11/06/22 at 15:08:00:
Let me see if I get your logic…..your theory is that oil companies are using any excuse to raise their price …..so your plan is to add a tax which is a cost  that has to covered which means they’ll increase the price. Do I have that right?

You guys couldn’t be any dumber if you tried.


So should we just do nothing and just hope oil companies will eventually choose altruism over profits?
Will they reduce prices 'cause they're nice guys?



...and you think I'm dumb?



I don't think you're dumb. I do think you don't consider all the potential answers. It's so much easier to just condemn them for making what money they can. Will you even consider Why the price is what it is? There are a lot of moving parts that go into that. More than I can handle. You know the oil companies are watching what this administration is telling them what he wants to do to them. Look at the opportunities for production in the future being taken away. If you were running a company and the current administration is pushing to limit your ability to explore for oil and gas and taking the place where you were going to drill away, what would You do? If they aren't making money and squirrelling away as much as they can today so that when sanity returns to our government, they will be able to drill again, then YOU really are screwed. Everyone is. The Stop Oil crew are on your team. Maybe you know someone who believes that we need to stop the petroleum industry. Try a day without it. One Day.
Talk about stone age life. Have you even looked at what we all use, every day, that is only available Because of the petroleum industry? It's Not just gas and oil. It's plastic, it's All Over the cars. Food packaging. The pen you write with. Medical equipment, look Carefully at what the left want.
Drilling and production of oil is required to support every aspect of life, even If every gasoline powered car disappeared, the refineries would still have to distill crude oil to get the asphalt for the roads those magically zero emissions vehicles to use. Is anyone actually believing that society can continue without oil? Or do you think we can just import the oil we need?

You wanna drop an actual explanation of how you think America can do what you want to do and survive?
Of Course oil companies are going to have more profits right now.
They are not Spending money on developing reserves. Drilling is still going on, it's Not shut down, but they are staring down the barrel of an administration aiming to, or at Least Claiming to be determined to, destroy them.
IDK if he is serious or just saying that so people who have no idea how important oil is will support him.


I think electric cars shouldn't be allowed to be charged unless they use a windmill or solar panel sourced electron.

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Reply #18 - 11/07/22 at 14:00:18
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/07/22 at 11:43:20:
I think electric cars shouldn't be allowed to be charged unless they use a windmill or solar panel sourced electron.


Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to gas up unless you can fart gas out yer' bum... Grin
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Reply #19 - 11/07/22 at 14:05:35
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/07/22 at 11:43:20:
"... I think electric cars shouldn't be allowed to be charged unless they use a windmill or solar panel sourced electron.

     Absolutely Fantastic idea !!!!!!!

Yet it will never work, because the sale of EV's will plummet so fast, and so far, none will  make them, because none will buy them.

(Oh Bot and E buying one, would not even be a teardrop in the Ocean)


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Reply #20 - 11/07/22 at 14:23:42
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/07/22 at 14:00:18:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/07/22 at 11:43:20:
I think electric cars shouldn't be allowed to be charged unless they use a windmill or solar panel sourced electron.


Maybe you shouldn't be allowed to gas up unless you can fart gas out yer' bum... Grin


I'm not a supporter of Destroy the oil industry. You don't Want oil? You don't want gasoline powered cars? Muppet up,
Have you walked around the house and looked at everything that is made from oil? Bye bye cell phone. Those zip lock baggies?
Your best Trump voice
Throw them out, get them outta here.
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Reply #21 - 11/07/22 at 15:10:49
 
(Oh Bot and E buying one, would not even be a teardrop in the Ocean)

 I've never once said I was pro-electric cars but your inability to have an adult conversation prohibits you from understanding this.


"I'm not a supporter of Destroy the oil industry."

 I've not heard of anyone say they want no oil to ever be used.  Just to limit it when alternatives are available.  It's like saying if you are anti-Covid vaccine you also don't want there to be any medications of any kind.  Destroy the medication industry.

This doesn't mean I am anti-oil and pro-electric cars, it just means I can distinguish the difference between people assessing gasoline cars vs electric cars and all other things besides those cars.
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Reply #22 - 11/07/22 at 16:10:26
 
Joe Biden: “We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil …

Joe Biden: "We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels" Watch on Biden also said there would be “ no more coal plants. “ Biden’s hostility to energy industry workers is nothing new, either. In December he suggested if coal miners lose their job due to his

Whoever supports Joe,, this is what they are wanting. I didn't see anyone who considers themselves a Democrat offer one reason why Joe was wrong for the aggressive AntiOil steps he has taken. I was addressing Bot,
I'm not Against Ecars, as I've stated. The hostility of the people who are determined to force them on us is simply too obvious. Allow the market to develop, the technology to mature. Government is overstepping its rightful place trying to force them on the people.
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Reply #23 - 11/07/22 at 18:36:44
 

"I'm not Against Ecars, as I've stated. The hostility of the people who are determined to force them on us is simply too obvious. Allow the market to develop, the technology to mature."

 Nah that makes too much sense.
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Reply #24 - 11/07/22 at 20:25:56
 
Dammitall, E! Is this you agreeing with me again?
Certainly Looks like it..
Okay, I'm just going with that.
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Reply #25 - 11/08/22 at 06:30:33
 
We will need oil for all the purposes you speak of for many, many years to come.
Guzzling it down to go from A to B seems wasteful.
If not EV's,... we could be driving cars that get 50+mpg at least.  Future generations will thank us.
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Reply #26 - 11/08/22 at 10:19:28
 
It doesn't have to be one way or the other. The lack of mpg that cars get is frustrating. It seems like they could be doing better. Before people get all excited and think a car can carry itself and passengers, groceries, etc, there is some basic maffs that need done.
The calories in a gallon of gas are not sufficient to get mpg beyond a certain number.
The heavier the vehicle, the fewer miles.
Again, we get into a place where there are so many moving parts that having a solid solution is Impossible with the resources we have.
If they could figure out how to make a battery that can be recycled that doesn't cost so much the car is totalled .

example, replacing the battery of a Tesla Model 3 costs one-third of the total price of the car in 2022, as reported by Recurrent. The lowdown on replacing a Tesla Model 3 battery Tesla Recurrent reports that replacing the battery of a Tesla Model 3 costs about $15,800.

Insurance companies call a car totalled if repairs are fifty percent of value.
I sure would hate finding out the battery I need costs more than ten percent of the value of my car. It's Not too horrible if it's a hunnert bucks for the battery for my thousand dollar pickup, but you get the picture.

Anyway, I like the idea of hybrids. That looks workable and would, IMO, be a great step forward.
That would get manufacturing going towards electrici motors, which IDK hoot about. Maybe there isn't much improvement left to be made there. But batteries? Every now and then we get a new formulation that holds tons of electrons and can be deep cycled. But with hybrids you don't have to run the battery down. Using the motors for braking and charging the battery is cool.
But the battery technology matters. Right Now the batteries are EXPENSIVE, but start trying to make them in the quantities required to be in an appreciable percentage of the vehicles on the road and then we will see how the mining operations required to find the stuff that goes in them affects the price. You would expect some Economy of Scale, but then I Think the limited amount of those things will Jack the cost outta sight. It's not like oil or coal. The number of tons of dirt that has to be moved and sifted through doesn't Sound like something anyone would call Sustainable. And the stuff isn't just everywhere. Apparently the things required aren't in good supply in America. I think we have lithium, but how much?
Cobalt is important and it is found in the Congo and it's being mined, because it's in the copper mine. The supply may be better than I thought. Interested people should look at this.


https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2020GH000325

Not sure what that is,


https://earth.org/cobalt-mining/


https://www.drive.com.au/news/demand-for-electric-car-batteries-forces-mining...

Okay, more to say, but I'm done for now.




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Reply #27 - 11/08/22 at 14:54:53
 
"... Tesla Recurrent reports that replacing the battery of a Tesla Model 3 costs about $15,800...."

 What is the DISPOSAL cost of the old battery ?

Before you to buy a EV unit.
    (Any Unit)
Go to the service counter and ask what a New Battery Cost.
AND, what does it cost to dispose of the old one.





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Reply #28 - 11/08/22 at 17:52:18
 
Notta Problum! Replace the battery, set the Old one in a safe place, poke a few holes in it and squirt salt water on it. It will Self Delete.
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