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11/02/22 at 04:49:59
 
The article linked at the bottom brings up an excellent point.

For those of you in favor of laws whose stated goal is to stop misinformation as defined by some appointed group, would you be in favor of surveillance of Internet forums, mass emails or even phone calls?

Let’s say I call Jog and get MnSpring and pg on the line and I start talking about how the vaccine causes adverse side effects in certain people. If I type that on Twitter or Facebook, you are in favor of that being deleted and in some countries, I could face civil or criminal penalties. I’m doing the same on the phone so am I also spreading misinformation?

So those of you in favor of banning misinformation on voluntary social media sites where you have to follow someone to read what they say, am I correct in assuming you’d be in favor of a software program that listens to all phone conversations and notifies authorities if I use certain key words?

For that matter, we have a ‘fair and balanced’ moderator on here but shouldn’t a government oversight committee monitor our forum and delete Jog’s anti-vaccine posts?

Why or why not?

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/11/02/eu-moves-against-twitter-to-block-free-spe
ech-protections-after-calls-from-clinton-and-other-democratic-leaders/
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Reply #1 - 11/02/22 at 05:31:33
 
"I’m doing the same on the phone so am I also spreading misinformation?"

 Yes but less efficiently.  The primary difference of Social Media is that a robot, or human with appropriate AI programming can produce millions per minute and exponentially spread the information per-minute reaching billions within an hour.  You couldn't do that on a phone and that's a big part of the censorship analysis.

 
"So those of you in favor of banning misinformation on voluntary social media sites where you have to follow someone to read what they say, am I correct in assuming you’d be in favor of a software program that listens to all phone conversations and notifies authorities if I use certain key words?"

 I think the phone companies would have to restructure to get this to apply equally.  Some sort of clause/contract that states that the phone, data, infrastructure and recordings are the private property of the carrier.  This way if you choose to use lets say Verizon, you know by contract every communication you make with that device is now the property of Verizon and can now be given to law enforcement without your consent.

 Then sure, have at it.


"For that matter, we have a ‘fair and balanced’ moderator on here but shouldn’t a government oversight committee monitor our forum and delete Jog’s anti-vaccine posts?"

 The Moderator has never claimed to be fair and balanced.  As for government oversight, if they had the resources, and the forum was structured in a way that before we were given permission to post we were informed that every post is now the property of the forum owner, or the US Government and can be governed without our consent, then yeah have at it.

 The difference is people keep confusing privately owned social media with public utilities, public forums, tax funded etc.  
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Reply #2 - 11/02/22 at 06:59:18
 
I'm not in the least confused.
I just know the difference between good and bad.
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Reply #3 - 11/02/22 at 07:26:39
 
I'm not fair and balanced.
99% of posts here are right-wing Trumpist views.
How is that balanced?

I'm the only balance you have.
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Reply #4 - 11/02/22 at 07:32:34
 
What are you saying? You want the forum to ask for some government cog to come erase the stuff you don't have time for?
Who decides what misinformation is?
Starting to look like the
It's safe and Effective crowd were spreading misinformation.
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Reply #5 - 11/02/22 at 08:26:25
 
FFS….. The fair and balanced moderator is a joke at my friend Sew. it’s not particularly relevant.

So I take from Eegore’s response that if the technological obstacles were over come, you’d be fine with government misinformation board listening in on your phone conversations and auditing your emails to look for misinformation as defined by some authority appointment. Correct?
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Reply #6 - 11/02/22 at 08:27:05
 
You read a lot into things.
I'm just saying exactly what I said.

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Reply #7 - 11/02/22 at 09:10:46
 
IIRC, it wasn't actually happening..
But it was.
Look at what they want. And they have been doing it.


https://warroom.org/2022/11/02/dhs-censorship-lead-believes-big-tech-has-mora...



And it's imperative that it be done.

Of Course I see why lefties agree.
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a political approach that strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups:
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support for populist politicians or policies:
"the government came to power on a wave of populism"
the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people:
"art museums did not gain bigger audiences through a new populism

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Reply #8 - 11/02/22 at 10:08:48
 
Serowbot wrote on 11/02/22 at 08:27:05:
You read a lot into things.
I'm just saying exactly what I said.



Then I presume you think a government oversight to delete jogs threads about vaccine efficiency is warranted. Or my objection to the Kavanaugh rape story, I assume you believe that some government officials should be able to come in here and delete that because you think it’s true. Or if I say Trump never said Nazis were fine people, I guess you want that deleted too because it’s not the official narrative.
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Reply #9 - 11/02/22 at 10:37:30
 
Following the Tesla billionaire’s official acquisition of social media giant Twitter this week, figures in Europe have already begun demanding that Elon Musk adheres to their anti-free speech agenda.

Mayor Sadiq Khan, who during his tenure in office has spearheaded efforts to criminalise more speech in the British capital rather than spending his time dealing with the actual violent crime plaguing the city, demanded that Mr Musk continue the Silicon Valley social media site’s policy of combating “digital hate”.

We cannot allow children growing up today to be exposed to the vile [and] violent ideologies of some users,” the London mayor said, adding that “any decision about allowing suspended users to return must be taken incredibly carefully & in direct consultation with experts in countering digital hate [and] misinformation.

the site may remain restricted in countries that do not have First Amendment protections, such as member-states of the EU.

Thierry Breton, EU commissioner for the internal market, said Twitter will have to “fly by our rules” after Elon Musk’s $44 billion purchase of the company.

Tech companies will face greater pressure to remove illegal content under the EU’s incoming Digital Services Act.

A top European Union official had a warning for Elon Musk Friday about his $44 purchase of Twitter, telling the billionaire he will have to play by the rules.

regulators on both sides of the Atlantic are worried that Musk could, for example, allow former President Donald Trump back onto the platform.


Anybody have ANY Doubt that, 'the powers that be', are TELLING YOU, what to think ?????

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Reply #10 - 11/02/22 at 14:10:45
 
"So I take from Eegore’s response that if the technological obstacles were over come, you’d be fine with government misinformation board listening in on your phone conversations and auditing your emails to look for misinformation as defined by some authority appointment. Correct?"

 If the phone service was altered to meet the legal definitions of private property belonging to the service provider.  Not current phone conversations and emails, but ones that, if I choose to use that provider, has made clear through it's user agreement that the US Government will be auditing those communications since they are the private property of the company and the US Government.

 If I work for a company that provides me a phone and computer and internet service they have the authority to look through any texts and emails sent over their system on their property without a warrant.  They can terminate the usage, thus fully censoring me, at any time since it is the private property of the company and part of the terms of agreement for me to remain employed there.

 However my job can not take my personal phone or audit/censor conversations, Tweets, emails sent on my personal phone, unless some of those messages appear on the private property of my employer.  Then they can censor the messages I placed on their property.  If they choose, as a private company to work with the Government, then the Government can censor information on their property as well.
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Reply #11 - 11/02/22 at 15:16:22
 
Eegore wrote on 11/02/22 at 14:10:45:
" ... ... ... ... ... etc ... the Government can censor information on their property as well.

AWSUM Spin/Deflection.

The POINT is, (which everyone KNOWS)
The Social Media/s Are CENSORING what they TELL employees TO Censor.
They Hire employees, who are UL FDS Socialists.
Then, HIDE THAT FACT

Just like they work very hard at ‘hiding’: “… when you share, post or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free and worldwide license to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate and create derivative works of your content …”

So one Will, post that most fantastic photo, or those cleaver words, (that they can sell), and they can Cover their Azz from lawsuits.

Censoring, is more complicated.  Ray Charles could see it is being done at a 10—1 ratio against Conservatives. Yet, proof ! When the Social media companies deny/lie/spin/deflect/etc/etc/etc …


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Reply #12 - 11/02/22 at 18:58:25
 
The POINT is, (which everyone KNOWS)
The Social Media/s Are CENSORING what they TELL employees TO Censor.


 Yes, on the private company's private property.  People keep trying to act like Twitter is a public service.  It's not.  If you don't like what a private company does with their private property, don't use their service.

 Trying to say Twitter shouldn't work with the government or hire "UL FDS Socialists" is like saying a cake baker shouldn't hire Conservatives and should bake the cakes You want them to.  How dare Twitter do something I don't like with the service I choose to use that they own.  how dare they hire people with similar political views.


Just like they work very hard at ‘hiding’: “… when you share, post or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free and worldwide license to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate and create derivative works of your content …

 People being too lazy to read the contract they agree to for a service they choose to use is not equal to a business "hiding" that information.  You found it.  Millions have found it, so they aren't doing a very good job at hiding it.


"Ray Charles could see it is being done at a 10—1 ratio against Conservatives."


 If only we lived in a capitalist country where Conservatives could go start their own social media sites.  Like Trump's Truth Social.  Oh it's not as successful as Twitter?  Conservatives aren't using it?  Trump doesn't even post?
 
 Well then let's go pretend Twitter is a public service and not a private company exactly like Truth Social and go tell them what they should do with their private property!  


 Bottom line is "Lefties" are doing a better job at using social media.
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Reply #13 - 11/03/22 at 08:28:48
 
Twitter STARTED as a Private company.
Facebook STARTED as a private company.

Later they BOTH became public companies.
During the time they were PUBLIC, they were censoring content, just like they were Private.

Now Twitter is private again and time will tell if it is Censored like it used to be, and if so, in what direction.

It is VERY CLEAR Clinton/Obama are doing everything they can to NOT allow the Truth to be told world wide.



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Reply #14 - 11/03/22 at 09:52:39
 
"Twitter STARTED as a Private company.
Facebook STARTED as a private company.

Later they BOTH became public companies.
During the time they were PUBLIC, they were censoring content, just like they were Private."


 Publicly traded companies still own their property as do the private citizens, that are part of the public, own their shares.  They do not become PUBLIC property once they start selling shares.  It's still private property.

 Twitter and Facebook have no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights.  They can censor their publicly traded property all they want.
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