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Reply #60 - 12/05/22 at 10:20:22
 
Who isn't Fukkin sick to death of some assshole protecting everyone from misinformation? How convenient, don't agree, call it misinformation, censor it,doing society a favor. Ohh,SHUT UP!
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Reply #61 - 12/05/22 at 17:07:59
 
When it comes to changing election results, a private company has no obligation to be neutral, or honest.

I don’t think that’s true. Libel laws.


 This is a good point.  Not sure how one could get 1str Amendment prosecution involved but I am sure there are multiple cases where people tried.

 
"So can we create a “right to fairness” on public free-speech platforms?"

 We already do.

 What we need to do to achieve your goal is make private property also be under the same protections as actual public property.  Again Twitter isn't a public free speech platform (even if they claim it is) that has 1st Amendment protection responsibilities, it is a private platform that is displayed to the public.  They own the platform, not the public.

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Reply #62 - 12/05/22 at 17:14:27
 
"Who isn't Fukkin sick to death of some assshole protecting everyone from misinformation? How convenient, don't agree, call it misinformation, censor it,doing society a favor. Ohh,SHUT UP!"

 This is part of why I consistently say social media is not actual information.  Its overwhelmingly opinions spread as fact with zero credibility or reference.

 First - anyone can post anything without evidence.

 Second - the type of information sent forward can be selective.
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Reply #63 - 12/05/22 at 17:21:20
 
The issue, again, is the government was essentially acting as an editor-in-chief for perhaps the largest and most widely read “soapbox”.

And that’s a good way to look at it. When you hear this story, just imagine the FBI pulling the soapbox out from under a guy questioning the actions of his government and tell me if you’re good with that.
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Reply #64 - 12/05/22 at 18:05:01
 
And that’s a good way to look at it. When you hear this story, just imagine the FBI pulling the soapbox out from under a guy questioning the actions of his government and tell me if you’re good with that.


 If he's on a soapbox that is a Private Company's property of a Company that asked the FBI to go grab that soapbox, I would question the Company's values and not support that company.  I definitely would not cry about my "Rights" being violated on their soap box on their property.

 I'd go to their competitor before I would try to control their actions by exercising rights I don't have there.

 Now if a private company asked the FBI to go pull out somebody else's soapbox, I would have an issue with that for sure from both the Company and the FBI.

 Most important of all I wouldn't use the soapbox in exclusivity to make important decisions anyway since we all know what opinions are like.
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Reply #65 - 12/05/22 at 19:58:41
 
Actually, a better analogy is to imagine the FBI telling the owner of the soapbox company to pull soapboxes out on people who were about to reveal the head of the FBI was a crook.
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Reply #66 - 12/06/22 at 05:00:11
 
From Jonathan Turley article this morning:

What Censorship?

One of the old saws of censorship apologists is that without a government directing the suppression of free speech, it is not censorship.  

That is clearly untrue.  Many groups like the ACLU stress that "censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups."

The same figures insist that if, there is not a violation of the First Amendment (which only applies to the government), there is no free speech violation.

The First Amendment was never the exclusive definition of free speech. Free speech is viewed by many of us as a human right; the First Amendment only deals with one source for limiting it. Free speech can be undermined by private corporations as well as government agencies.
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Reply #67 - 12/06/22 at 05:11:00
 
And remember, the real story here is direct, absolute evidence of Joe Biden’s involvement in business deals with foreign nations who gave his completely under qualified son a lucrative job. One of those nations is involved in a war and we’re sending billions of dollars to some of which may have just been found “invested” in a crypto-pyramid scheme.

And Barrack Obama is no dummy and unlike Trump, surrounded himself with shrewd advisors. it’s impossible to believe they weren’t aware of what Biden was doing while he was vice president and it’s likewise is impossible believe they did not tell Obama about it. One question I’ve always had is, if Obama knew, did he let it happen thinking it was relatively harmless or was he somehow involved?
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Reply #68 - 12/06/22 at 07:23:45
 
It was pointed out, on Fox News The Five of all places, that Biden's request to Twitter was to remove Hunter's nude pic's which break Twitter's rules against revenge porn, and Biden was a private citizen at the time of the request.
Trump on the other hand, also made censorship requests, and was President at the time.

Which one is a 1st amendment breach?
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Reply #69 - 12/06/22 at 08:07:35
 
That’s BS. The FBI didn’t tell Twitter Hunter’s d!ck pictures were Russian disinformation. They told them evidence of Joe being involved in criminal activity was. The pictures never came into the discussion and is being used a convenient excuse to cover his involvement in corruption. You’re being used as a patsy, you’re cover, you’re a human shield.

Yes, Trump was wrong if his request to censor information was for political gain. What specifically did he tell them to remove? Did he do it or did he have the FBI act as his secret police?

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Reply #70 - 12/06/22 at 09:46:15
 
Ok, so I looked and can’t find any published accounts of what Trump asked Twitter to censor. The fact is of course they never would’ve done what he has anyway but I’d like to know specifically, assuming he did, what are you ask them to withhold from the public sharing with others?
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Reply #71 - 12/06/22 at 09:50:23
 
The only thing I’ve seen is Trump asked them to reinstate his press secretary’s Twitter account which they froze. That’s kind of like the opposite of restricting free speech isn’t it?….
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Reply #72 - 12/06/22 at 11:08:40
 

Actually, a better analogy is to imagine the FBI telling the owner of the soapbox company to pull soapboxes out on people who were about to reveal the head of the FBI was a crook.


 So how is the Company violating your 1st Amendment rights?  You don't have the right to use that soapbox to begin with.
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Reply #73 - 12/06/22 at 17:21:48
 
Nope, nothing to see here


Twitter CEO Elon Musk announced on Tuesday that he has fired deputy general counsel James Baker after the release of the first installment of the Twitter Files, which revealed the details behind the company’s decision to suppress the New York Post story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. Musk’s move comes after it was revealed that Baker played a critical role in that decision.
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Reply #74 - 12/06/22 at 18:01:30
 
Isn't that the same James Baker..................

https://dailycaller.com/2022/12/04/james-baker-hunter-biden-laptop-fisa-censor/

Move along.......................

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