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Reply #30 - 12/02/22 at 23:35:30
 
pg wrote on 11/07/22 at 11:27:23:
Here is an interesting thought.  Now that Elon owns Twitter, he also owns all the communications, e-mails, and DM.  He will likely have a treasure trove of evidence regarding the suppression of conservative thought & speech up until and including government collusion.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/elon-musk-releases-twitter-files-how-twitte...





This is necessary to restore public trust........................

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Reply #31 - 12/03/22 at 06:00:51
 
I read all the info Musk put out last night and it’s not a surprise. Twitter management intervened and prevented the Washington Post story detailing Joe Biden’s involvement with the his brother and son’s business of which he was fully involved, from being posted. They even went so far as to prevent direct messages on the top from one person to another which was a step previously only taken in cases such as spreading child porn.

But the best comment I read was from someone who said “Yes, Twitter management stepped in and lied to protect Joe Biden from his criminal dealings but it’s important to remember with a very few notable exceptions, major network news and print publications were just as complicit. They went out of their way to lie and even fabricate fake news to deflect away from Biden and turn an illegitimate focus on to Trump.”

That means you Lester Holt.

So, bottom line question: is Joe Biden an illegitimate President? Was the election tainted?

The only answer is yes. I believe I’ve read it would only had taken 23000 votes over 4 states to change the outcome. If Twitter (and Facebook) had let people freely exchange information, if the major news stations had at least pretended to act out their 4th estate role, no way Biden gets elected. No way.
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Reply #32 - 12/03/22 at 06:26:35
 
"The only answer is yes. I believe I’ve read it would only had taken 23000 votes over 4 states to change the outcome. If Twitter (and Facebook) had let people freely exchange information, if the major news stations had at least pretended to act out their 4th estate role, no way Biden gets elected. No way."

 It's called strategy.  These private companies have no obligation to preserve your 1st Amendment rights, so continually looking for ways to say they should do that is not going to help.

 I get it that Twitter and Facebook have an outstanding level of influence, but that is literally capitalism at work here.  If the Left is using Twitter more efficiently the Right needs to find plausible counters to this or disrupt the efficiency - like what is being done now.

 Complaining that private companies aren't supporting the politician you like is pointless.  Twitter doesn't have to let you post what you want on their property.  They can support Biden just like TGP and other platforms support Trump and only post negative information about one party.  Where are the complaints that Tucker Carlson isn't letting pro-Biden guests use his show to talk poorly about Trump?  If Twitter has to let Conservative users say whatever they want shouldn't FOX have to let Left-leaning guests on their shows to say what they want?  You know, to be fair.

 Official Journalism is a different beast however and there should be accountability for publishing knowingly false material.  Leaning one way or the other is fine, but intentional false information is another.
 
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Reply #33 - 12/03/22 at 06:42:54
 
For all the emphasis on Hunter's laptop,... it will never be used as evidentiary in a court of law.  FBI has determined that the chain of custody cannot be verified and there has been tampering to the files both additive and subtractive.
No one can know what is original and what has been planted.

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Reply #34 - 12/03/22 at 06:56:51
 
Company decides, Meh.
Company decides because a government agency said
Make that go away?
Way past Meh.
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Reply #35 - 12/03/22 at 07:54:49
 
Eegore wrote on 12/03/22 at 06:26:35:
"The only answer is yes. I believe I’ve read it would only had taken 23000 votes over 4 states to change the outcome. If Twitter (and Facebook) had let people freely exchange information, if the major news stations had at least pretended to act out their 4th estate role, no way Biden gets elected. No way."

 It's called strategy.  These private companies have no obligation to preserve your 1st Amendment rights, so continually looking for ways to say they should do that is not going to help.

 I get it that Twitter and Facebook have an outstanding level of influence, but that is literally capitalism at work here.  If the Left is using Twitter more efficiently the Right needs to find plausible counters to this or disrupt the efficiency - like what is being done now.

 Complaining that private companies aren't supporting the politician you like is pointless.  Twitter doesn't have to let you post what you want on their property.  They can support Biden just like TGP and other platforms support Trump and only post negative information about one party.  Where are the complaints that Tucker Carlson isn't letting pro-Biden guests use his show to talk poorly about Trump?  If Twitter has to let Conservative users say whatever they want shouldn't FOX have to let Left-leaning guests on their shows to say what they want?  You know, to be fair.

 Official Journalism is a different beast however and there should be accountability for publishing knowingly false material.  Leaning one way or the other is fine, but intentional false information is another.
 


You are so completely wrong on this.
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Reply #36 - 12/03/22 at 08:00:14
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/03/22 at 06:42:54:
For all the emphasis on Hunter's laptop,... it will never be used as evidentiary in a court of law.  FBI has determined that the chain of custody cannot be verified and there has been tampering to the files both additive and subtractive.
No one can know what is original and what has been planted.



#1 That’s bull$hit. That’s how OJ got away with killing two people.
#2 that’s not the point anyway. No one disputes the information on the laptop. Joe Biden lied about selling his VP office.
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Reply #37 - 12/03/22 at 10:10:11
 

Company decides because a government agency said
Make that go away
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 According to Musk Twitter approached the Government.  So if I go to you and ask if you want control of part of my property, did you come to me?

 If Twitter were a public utility I'd see the argument.
 

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Reply #38 - 12/03/22 at 10:38:06
 
This is what you’re not getting. The widespread and universal use of social media and it’s influence basically makes it a de facto public square.
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Reply #39 - 12/03/22 at 12:14:45
 
"This is what you’re not getting. The widespread and universal use of social media and it’s influence basically makes it a de facto public square."

 Then why is it ok for Truth or Parler?  Where's the complaints about their unfair treatment of people who choose to use their property?

 If Twitter had banned Biden and still had Trump on it would be having this discussion even?

 Until Constitutional law changes, or alterations are made to the 1st Amendment, these private companies do not have to protect your rights.
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Reply #40 - 12/03/22 at 12:29:44
 
IDK anything about the other sites.Exactly nothing. Twitter sold itself to the people with the general attitude of
This is a place to connect. This is where you can be heard. Within a not unreasonable set of guidelines. Then Someone decided to Label what they didn't Like as something they Could ban. Funny how it was just what threatened democrats. Or the Official government position.
Laws follow wrongdoing. Just because they don't Have to protect the rights of the people, doesn't mean they shouldn't. And since it's so obviously so one-sided, they look like an arm of the democrat party and the PR firm for big pharma. What they did was WRONG. And I seriously Don't GAF that it was not illegal. And if it benefited the other side, I would still call it wrong.
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Reply #41 - 12/03/22 at 15:19:17
 
When a partnership is formed, and collaboration & cooperation exists.  An argument can be made they are participating in the capacity of a state actor.

In United States constitutional law, a state actor is a person who is acting on behalf of a governmental body, and is therefore subject to limitations imposed on government by the United States Constitution.

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Reply #42 - 12/03/22 at 15:47:44
 
"When a partnership is formed, and collaboration & cooperation exists.  An argument can be made they are participating in the capacity of a state actor."


Not according to multiple court rulings, thus my interpretation that law would need to change since the argument has been made, and has always lost.

 Case No. 4:21-cv-00548-YGR Rutenburg v. Twitter, Inc. rules against social media companies being "State Actors"

 The Supreme Court decision in Packingham v. North Carolina creates precedent, but not in the direction you want.

 Loomers list of losing cases includes calling Twitter a "State Actor" and lost, twice.

 Multiple cases exist all, so far, with the same outcome:  Social Media companies aren't State Actors.

 So far the argument has been made, but it's a losing one.  Maybe someone will figure it out and Social Media companies will someday be forced to let everyone use their platforms.  So Obama and Hillary and Biden and Trump and Alex Jones can all go sit on Lindell's FS platform tossing pointless remarks at one another.


 On the other end the ruling in Halleck v. Manhattan Community Access Corp. this would mean anyone could have access to all websites, including this one.  Restricting access would be illegal.
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Reply #43 - 12/03/22 at 16:30:15
 
Maybe that is the next step. Government using corporate to further their agenda is government taking away our rights, using a third party.


Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), the GOP ranking member on the Committee, made the remarks in a Friday appearance on Fox News after Twitter’s new owner Elon Musk dropped part one of the so-called “Twitter Files,” an expose of the inner workings of Twitter’s censorship machine.

“Every employee at Twitter who was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story will have an opportunity to come before Congress and explain their actions to the American people,” Comer told program host Sean Hannity.


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Reply #44 - 12/03/22 at 16:30:41
 

IDK anything about the other sites.Exactly nothing.


 Twitter's competitors because we live in a free capitalist society where companies can compete.  Don't like how Twitter treats the people on their property that choose to use Twitter's property?  Use another platform that aligns with your ideals.

 Or keep complaining that Twitter doesn't do what we think they should with their property.  If it's wrong don't support it.  

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