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Reply #105 - 12/18/22 at 05:37:58
 
Eegore wrote on 12/17/22 at 07:24:52:
"It has been clearly established there was collusion. Combined with fb and youtube, it was likely material enough to alter the election."

 Agreed.  This is no different than communication on paper and radio 50 years ago, its just more effective now.  

 
"Do you believe people's rights were not violated in some capacity?  I'm not referring to the users of the social media.  How about the people who support free and fair elections?"

 I think in some capacity the potential exists.  My observations on "free and fair" elections regarding process is what that usually means is my guy should win and the other guy should lose.



Regardless, of whether you support the outcome of the election.  Our government made vigorous efforts that likely had a material effect on the outcome of the election.

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Reply #106 - 12/18/22 at 05:43:28
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/17/22 at 07:27:10:
Twitter admits far more Russian bots posted on election than it had disclosed
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/19/twitter-admits-far-more-ru...
Company says it removed more than 50,000 accounts and reported them to investigators, marking latest upward revision of figures

US intelligence authorities have concluded that Russia’s government mounted an assault on the US election campaign across several fronts including social media, with the intention of aiding Donald Trump and harming Clinton, his Democratic opponent.

Twitter said on Friday that more than 3,800 accounts had been traced back to Russian state operatives. It gave examples of their tweets, which included an attack on Hillary Clinton’s performance in a presidential debate.

Posts by one Russian state propaganda account were retweeted by senior advisers to Trump, including his son Donald Jr and Kellyanne Conway, who is now a senior aide to the president in the White House.




Well look who is a proponent of election integrity............

First, the article said their are links to Russia.  What does that mean, hackers, kids, FSB??

Moreover, that is a significant difference between our government making efforts to affect an election as opposed to an alleged foreign entities.

Also, that was 7 or 8 years ago, that is some serious 'howaabboouuttissmmm'...............

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Reply #107 - 12/18/22 at 10:10:22
 
"Also, that was 7 or 8 years ago, that is some serious 'howaabboouuttissmmm'..............."

 What do you mean?  It didn't maybe happen, it actually happened.  I know people debated it here but there's no way 1 human could send over 200,000 messages in less than a minute - that was Russian AI.

 Twitter is going to be constantly bombarded with organized efforts to impact US political function.  It's like being able to have 30 or 40 agents working inside a newsprint agency in the 1960's to influence what Americans see, except it can be done today from a couch in Moscow.

 If only people would understand that nothing on Twitter is verified as being real before you can see it.
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Reply #108 - 12/18/22 at 12:30:08
 
Eegore wrote on 12/18/22 at 10:10:22:
"Also, that was 7 or 8 years ago, that is some serious 'howaabboouuttissmmm'..............."

 What do you mean?  It didn't maybe happen, it actually happened.  I know people debated it here but there's no way 1 human could send over 200,000 messages in less than a minute - that was Russian AI.



Did I say it didn't happen?  NNOOooo....

That was a deflection to a difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

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Reply #109 - 12/18/22 at 12:56:22
 

"That was a deflection to a difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue."

 Ok thanks for explaining, I wasn't sure what you meant.
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Reply #110 - 12/19/22 at 06:23:52
 
Eegore wrote on 12/17/22 at 07:24:52:
"...  This is no different than communication on paper and radio 50 years ago, its just more effective now.  ..."



Wrong, there is a significant difference.

Up to 2-3 years ago, one knew, what group/people’s, that POV was from.
One knew if it was real, or propaganda, simply because of its source.

Today, some Social Media’s, LIED.
Lied by omission of Fact, Lied saying they were Fair. Lied implying no outside force/group, (like the FBI) influenced the, ‘reports’.

50 years ago no one said, ‘Don’t eat Tide Pods’, Yet today the UL FDS Socialists have to put ‘warnings’ on everything, (like shampoo labeling, ‘Do Not Drink).

Years ago, the DIF’s that ‘drank Shampoo’,  just cleaned up the gene pool. Today the Socialists have to, ‘protect’ everybody. So they survive, and believe the Lying Social media and the ‘Told What To Say’, major broadcast media. All for the goal to have more DFI’s, so they can vote the way they are TOLD to do, instead of thinking for themselves.

The  difference between then and now,  is not,  effectiveness,  it is, Lying,  Subversion,  and a handful of people, TELLING YOU, what to think and how to vote. And that can be done ONLY, when there are a significant number of DFI’s, who can’t think for themselves.

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Reply #111 - 12/21/22 at 12:22:04
 
The implication that Russian bots supporting Trump is somehow a reflection on Trump is silly. It's just a statement that Russia saw how dangerous Hillary would be. Putin is smart enough to know how much more unstable the world would be with her as opposed to Trump. She would have had us in war or wars. Trump, to the amazement of the haters, did not get us into a war. If this fool keeps supporting Ukraine, Russia will eventually have to deal with that.
Retweeting something that came from a Russian bot? As IF someone knew it was from a Russian bot? How does that mean anything? Agreeing with something that is true is not promoting a lie. Where it comes from means exactly nothing, if it's correct, it's correct.
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Reply #112 - 12/21/22 at 14:07:27
 

"It's just a statement that Russia saw how dangerous Hillary would be. Putin is smart enough to know how much more unstable the world would be with her as opposed to Trump."

 This is also silly.  There is not plausible reason for anyone on this forum to know why Russia does things or what Putin thinks.  There is a ton of information available to them that will never be available to us.


"Retweeting something that came from a Russian bot? As IF someone knew it was from a Russian bot? How does that mean anything?"

 Because it influences public response.  Of course believing what is on Twitter is the real problem, but it is effective and that is why countries dump all the money they do into creating false information online.


"Agreeing with something that is true is not promoting a lie. Where it comes from means exactly nothing, if it's correct, it's correct."

 And if it's not correct?   If the post is a lie, would that be promoting a lie?
 
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Reply #113 - 12/21/22 at 14:15:10
 

"Up to 2-3 years ago, one knew, what group/people’s, that POV was from.
One knew if it was real, or propaganda, simply because of its source.
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 I don't believe that at all.  Propaganda has been effective by means of elusive source for decades.  Anonymous donors, secret meetings, IP address generators, tons of false information has been available and interpreted as "real" not just the past few years.


"The  difference between then and now,  is not,  effectiveness,  it is, Lying,  Subversion,  and a handful of people, TELLING YOU, what to think and how to vote."

 Yeah up until 2-3 years ago all political advertising was transparent and honest?
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Reply #114 - 12/26/22 at 14:23:09
 
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/elon-musk-says-almost-every-conspiracy-t...


“To be totally frank, almost every conspiracy theory that people had about Twitter turned out to be true,” Musk said.

“Is there a conspiracy theory about Twitter that didn’t turn out to be true? So far, they’ve all turned out to be true. If not more true than people thought.”

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Reply #115 - 12/26/22 at 15:26:57
 
It turns out to be a Lot worse than I had thought. I figured there were some lefties just doing what they wanted. Turns out, it was a coordinated effort, using retired spooks, and Twitter was Paid,, If it's that pervasive, is it a rogue element of or is that The Government?
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Reply #116 - 12/26/22 at 19:30:50
 
Its a private company people think is a public utility.

 Anyone that thinks Twitter is a fact based source deserves to be upset over the lies they see there.
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Reply #117 - 12/26/22 at 20:29:39
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/26/22 at 15:26:57:
It turns out to be a Lot worse than I had thought. I figured there were some lefties just doing what they wanted. Turns out, it was a coordinated effort, using retired spooks, and Twitter was Paid,, If it's that pervasive, is it a rogue element of or is that The Government?



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Reply #118 - 12/28/22 at 13:52:28
 
Turns out, it was a coordinated effort, using retired spooks, and Twitter was Paid,, If it's that pervasive, is it a rogue element of or is that The Government?


ALL of the above.............


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