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Reply #15 - 09/03/22 at 08:48:27
 
What the company did? Meh, I saw it. Everyone who has any honesty watched companies crush any voices speaking something other than the democrat approved line. While it was Just assholes with the power to be assholes people like me just avoided those platforms.

BUT
When the FBI TELLS THEM to Not allow certain points of view to get traction
That should be a Great Concern for EVERYONE. But the lefties benefited and refuse to see what a REAL THREAT to Their society that really is.
The laptop is Very Real and the constant harassment of Trump is just trying to destroy the one guy who wants to straighten this crap out. If you don't see Hillary and Hunter as people who need an honest investigation, IDK what to say.
Look at all the multimillionaires in Congress who weren't rich when they got there.
Guess who won't be audited.
The people who for the last couple of years who have been so desperate to make you take the jabs?
Nope, can't make them take it.
And the people who work for moderna? Nope,
But you just keep on believing.

I'm just waiting for the left to blame Trump for the jab.
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Reply #16 - 09/03/22 at 09:13:28
 
From Facebook Terms
“...This means, for example, that if you share a photo on Facebook, you give us permission to store, copy, and share it with others…”

Which is, if you took the most Fabulous Photo, Meme, writing, etc. Facebook CAN SELL it, over and over and over, because YOU Said so !  And you get No compensation, and NO credit !

So does that make Facebook, and the like, “Private”. So that platform can influence any political position they want, and banish/suppress any the company does not want !

Or does IS FB Public. Because they Very Strongly IMPLY they Are ?


Eegore wrote on 09/02/22 at 10:15:56:
"...  Once these companies start committing to "public forum" identifiers, then we have some grounds to utilize 1st Amendment regulation.  

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Reply #17 - 09/03/22 at 09:31:19
 
"...  FBI TELLS THEM to Not allow certain points of view to get traction ..."

Like investigate 2 people taking about grand children, Laptop/s, deals selling US goods at substandard prices, killing US Citizens in a ($hit hole) country, wiping a illegal server clean, killing rivers for 100's of years. etc, etc, etc.

Yet Pi$$on on Beds, Russian Convolution, J6, doing the SAME THING as Clinton/Obama did, etc.etc. etc.

  It is Balls to the WALL !


Wating now for someone  to tell us again how FB and other social platforms, are Private, and they can express any one sided view they want.

YET, IMPLY, in every way they can,
they are Public, Social networks that are, 'fair'.



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Reply #18 - 09/03/22 at 16:50:58
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/over-50-biden-administration-employees-12...

“If there was ever any doubt the federal government was behind censorship of Americans who dared to dissent from official Covid messaging, that doubt has been erased,” Jenin Younes, a lawyer with the New Civil Liberties Alliance who is representing some of the plaintiffs in the case, said in a statement. “The shocking extent of the government’s involvement in silencing Americans, through coercing social-media companies, has now been revealed.”

Government lawyers only identified 45 officials at five agencies—the Department of Homeland Security, CISA, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Murthy’s office—who communicated with social media companies on misinformation, although documents they produced showed others were involved, including officials at the Census Bureau and the Departments of Treasury and State.

Responses from the Big Tech companies also revealed more officials involved with the effort.

Meta has disclosed that at least 32 federal officials, including top officials at the White House and the Food and Drug Administration, were in communication with it about content moderation. Many of the officials weren’t identified in the response by the government.


How about them apples............


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Reply #19 - 09/03/22 at 18:25:00
 
Misinformation
Anything that the lefties don't believe
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Reply #20 - 09/03/22 at 21:44:39
 

"By your position you state if an entity is privately owned they there can be no collusion if they don't accept the foreign influence."

 No I said a privately owned company is not in violation of "free-speech" because privately owned companies have no legal obligation to protect your 1st Amendment.  

 They can be in collusion with any number of things, but they can not be sued by people for violating their free speech.  This forum for instance does not have to allow everyone to use it's service or face judicial action for violating our rights.
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Reply #21 - 09/03/22 at 21:49:31
 
"Which is, if you took the most Fabulous Photo, Meme, writing, etc. Facebook CAN SELL it, over and over and over, because YOU Said so !  And you get No compensation, and NO credit !"

 Yes, if you choose to use Facebook, they have the rights to anything on their platform.  It's theirs to utilize once you agree to place content onto their business platform.  People who do not agree to this can choose to not use Facebook.


"So does that make Facebook, and the like, “Private”. So that platform can influence any political position they want, and banish/suppress any the company does not want !"

 Yes, this is how private capitalist business works.  Business owners have control over their business.  For instance if a pillow salesman wants to only have certain views on his privately owned forum, that's legal.


"Or does IS FB Public. Because they Very Strongly IMPLY they Are ?"

 No.
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Reply #22 - 09/03/22 at 22:36:23
 
Maybe I failed.
I don't Appreciate a business that pretends to be a platform for everyone but isn't.

The PROBLEM, boys and girls is THE FBI TOLD THEM TO crappity smackOVER ANYONE WHO POINTED OUT THE BIDEN BULLSHIT.
The PROBLEM is a fukkin out of control FBI who told a company that was all too happy to comply.
Nope, none of it is okay.
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Reply #23 - 09/03/22 at 22:43:45
 
 So are you saying the FBI "forced" them?

 I see it as two distinctly different things.  If the FBI mandated the actions then there is an issue.  If they requested and the business complied then there is nothing legally wrong with that.

 None of this impacts free-speech because Facebook has no obligation to protect your 1st Amendment rights.

 Bottom line is we all know if Facebook kicked Biden off and allowed Trump to stay then the same people here would not be complaining about how horrible Facebook is.  It's only bad if the guy we like is the victim.
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Reply #24 - 09/04/22 at 03:55:42
 
control FBI who told a company that was all too happy to comply.
Nope, none of it is okay.

Absolutely!!
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Reply #25 - 09/04/22 at 04:20:56
 

So are you saying the FBI "forced" them?
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Reply #26 - 09/04/22 at 04:51:17
 
Again, the FBI didn’t need to force them. They simply used them as a tool to  improve the election prospects for their preferred candidate. They did this by asking or implying they wanted social media companies to withhold and remove (censor) information published on their platforms.

That’s not a role the FBI should take. If asked, they should have refused. If someone in a leadership position suggested and acted on that idea, it should be known who.

As far as consequences for the companies themselves? That’s up to their customers. The truth about Twitter, Facebook etc.. is conservatives can never leave because both conservatives and liberals want a platform to fight on. There’s no fight if conservatives go to one platform and liberals go to the other. That’s why social media will survive.

I do find it humorous and conservatives complain about Twitter but they keep posting on their account and having advertisements for their books articles etc. It’s a moneymaking venture for them.

It’s like the women complaining about men dressing up as girls and participating in their sports. They could stop it immediately. The best case was that Pennsylvania swimmer. All the other girls needed to do was stand on their blocks when the gun went off let him swim by himself. All they had to do was do that a couple of times and it would’ve been over. But they couldn’t. They can’t unite. Same thing with conservatives on social media. They’ll talk about leaving and starting their own, but without liberals, there’s no fight. Without a fight, there’s no money.
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Reply #27 - 09/05/22 at 08:53:20
 
Eegore wrote on 09/03/22 at 21:49:31:
"... People who do not agree to this can choose to not use Facebook. ..."

Another Deflection.
Why do you keep saying, (the equivalent of), 'Water is Wet ?

"...a pillow salesman wants to only have certain views on his privately owned forum, that's legal...."


Yep !

And that Pillow Salesman, has NEVER Implied, he presents both sides !

Unlike FB, (and like) which Suggests, STRONGLY Imply's, Gives the Illusion, they allow BOTH sides to give a POV.

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Reply #28 - 09/05/22 at 08:55:42
 
"...All the other girls needed to do was stand on their blocks when the gun went off let him swim by himself ... do that a couple of times and it would’ve been over. ..."

They couldn't,
They had no Balls !
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Reply #29 - 09/05/22 at 09:09:53
 
Eegore wrote on 09/04/22 at 04:20:56:
So are you saying the FBI "forced" them?


I will repeat;

Yet if one had a influencing platform.
And a government entity came to you and said;
'You will do this, or this will happen' (Threatening)
'You will do this, and this will happen' (Bribe)


Adding one line;

If the FBI, or other lettered 'agency',
'Suggested' one do this or that,
90% would pee in their pants.
Then do what they were TOLD to do.


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