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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Working out, according to plan 07/25/22 at 22:17:31 I'm saying Nope,, HAMDEN — Firefighters extinguished a burning electric bus Saturday, officials said. Ahh,the crater to mine the necessary elements, the slave labor to do it, and it goes up in smoke.. Anyone else see the windmill hit by lightning and the blades keep spinning, putting a corkscrew of smoke in the air? Looked cool!
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Reply #1 - 07/26/22 at 08:50:09

Wait,
One has to consider:

What the percentage of Diesel fuel busses are …
the percentage of Natural gas busses are …
the percentage of LP gas busses are …
the percentage of Gasoline busses are …

Then that is divided by the number of miles each is driven.
The amount time they are on the road.
The time they are, idling.
The amount of time they are traveling 10-30 MPH, 30-50 MPH, 50 and over MPH.

Also, the time each style of buss stopped, moved, went fast or slow.
The amount of passengers in each buss.
The manufacture of each buss.

Then each of the buses numbers need to be divided by a factor consistent on the number of times the factors above, occurs.
Also dividing and subtracting are included in the figures that are collected.

Also any other factor/event/probality that could be possibility used,
to PROVE, that EV buses are the only way to go.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28696 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Working out, according to plan Reply #2 - 07/26/22 at 10:37:23 ...and? 44 DEAD IN BUS FIRE
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Working out, according to plan Reply #3 - 07/27/22 at 06:24:22 How many Eve burst into raging fires? What caused the bus fire? How many Millyun man miles have buses safely carried people? Evs? Do apple to apples
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Reply #4 - 07/27/22 at 06:59:52

In order to do apples to apples you need percentages not whole numbers.

This percentage must include hours of use since existence. The whole "How many Millyun man miles have buses safely carried people?" is misleading because that includes over a hundred years of combustion engine buses with no EV buses in existence.

I have about 900 pages of material that breaks down vehicle fires in the US. Gathered from police reports, insurance claims/reports, NTSB, manufacturer data, Car and Driver, National Fire Incident Reporting System NFIRS and NFPA (which my senior safety officer is a member of) etc.

But as we have learned here all of it is wrong because decades of research means nothing compared to a few Facebook posts. Numbers of verified fires nationwide by multiple verified sources means nothing compared to the number of internet posts I have seen from my couch.

Below is an Apples to Apples data set from the National Fire protection Association supported and verified by the US Fire Administration:

https://www.nfpa.org//-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-rep...

What is your opinion of these findings?

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Reply #5 - 07/27/22 at 07:38:44

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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/27/22 at 06:24:22:

"... Do apple to apples..."

Eegore wrote on 07/27/22 at 06:59:52:

"... Below is an Apples to Apples data set..."

A “…Do apple to apples…" can’t be done.
A ‘study’ that has, 32, ‘charts’, and OVER 550 categories, must consulted, so one can ‘imply’, EV’s are better !

‘EV’s’s should not be PUSHED into service, before they are ready’.
And EV’s should have all the other considerations, like the pollution they cause in the mining of battery elements, the making of battery elements, the disposal of battery elements all of which use use much more petrol than just using the petrol.

So understand, you want the, ‘proof’ something works, just ‘baffle with bullshit’ !

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28696 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Working out, according to plan Reply #6 - 07/27/22 at 07:46:54 I don't think EV's are better or worse. Power storage, be it volts or gallons will always have inherent risks.
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Reply #7 - 07/27/22 at 08:00:11

"A ‘study’ that has, 32, ‘charts’, and OVER 550 categories, must consulted, so one can ‘imply’, EV’s are better !"

Incorrect. This is not a "study" it is verified reporting statistics that provide zero opinion on EV.

"EV’s’s should not be PUSHED into service, before they are ready’.
And EV’s should have all the other considerations, like the pollution they cause in the mining of battery elements, the making of battery elements, the disposal of battery elements all of which use use much more petrol than just using the petrol."

I agree. There is a lot of ignorance in matters of battery creation, usage and disposal.

"So understand, you want the, ‘proof’ something works, just ‘baffle with bullshit’ !"

What part of the dataset provided is incorrect or "bullshit’ "?

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Reply #8 - 07/27/22 at 08:15:48

Serowbot wrote on 07/27/22 at 07:46:54:

"I don't think EV's are better or worse....".

So JOG posts a photo, which imply's, that EV's busses are not mainstream ready yet.

And you post a photo, which imply's, that Petro buses, KILL People, your. 'Implication' is EV buses are Safer.

Now you say; don't think EV's are better or worse ??????

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28696 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Working out, according to plan Reply #9 - 07/27/22 at 09:51:13 I didn't imply,... you inferred
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Reply #10 - 07/27/22 at 10:15:32

Eegore wrote on 07/27/22 at 08:00:11:

"... it is verified reporting statistics that provide zero opinion on EV...."

Eegore wrote: “…Below is an Apples to Apples data set…”
and : “… it is verified reporting statistics that provide zero opinion on EV…”

I believe those statements come under the category of; ‘Bull$hit’, and ‘Pick One’.

(Now tell us all how “… zero opinion on EV’s, is a “… an Apple’s to Apples’ …”, comparison)

Eegore wrote: “…What part of the dataset provided is incorrect…”
Don’t know. I was not paid hundreds of thousand dollars to do a, ‘study’/‘dataset’/, which is simply a big set of statistics.

And you know, ‘statistics’, are like a lady of the night, once you lay them down, you can do anything you want to do with them.

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Reply #11 - 07/27/22 at 10:39:23

(Now tell us all how “… zero opinion on EV’s, is a “… an Apple’s to Apples’ …”, comparison)

Because there is no requirement for an opinion to compare things. It is a dataset of confirmed vehicle fires.

There are no opinions about vehicles of any kind, it is only documentation of vehicle fires. Compare EV numbers to internal combustion engine numbers.

Don’t know. I was not paid hundreds of thousand dollars to do a, ‘study’/‘dataset’/, which is simply a big set of statistics.

Either was the reference I provided. It is not a study no matter how many times you claim it is.

Just compare EV fires with internal combustion engine fires and start creating percentage values based off the information provided.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Working out, according to plan Reply #12 - 07/27/22 at 10:59:01 https://www.tesla-fire.com The attempt to make a comparison between battery powered fire threat to gasoline or diesel fire threat is just lameass.
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Reply #13 - 07/27/22 at 11:20:57

"The attempt to make a comparison between battery powered fire threat to gasoline or diesel fire threat is just lameass."

Right because data like you provide here is only applicable if you already agree with it. Any other data is wrong, no need to actually look at it, so decades of reports other than the one's you like mean nothing.

What about this?

https://www.nfpa.org/-/media/Files/News-and-Research/Fire-statistics-and-repo...

There are about 2,335,000 Teslas on the road and the source you provide states 97 confirmed cases. So that makes 0.00415417559% of Teslas have had fires. That might be high, it may not.

But if we only accept information we like, and use Facebook for primary evidence at least 10% of Teslas catch on fire. I see it everywhere, like every week there's a Tesla on fire story somewhere. Obviously my personal internet experience is more accurate and representative of the planet than any other combination of information assembled by thousands of other people over multiple decades. Those morons don't know anything, just look at the picture I found.

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