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Clutch slips from second to first
07/12/22 at 18:11:59

Yo savages,

When I pull off the line from a stop and shift up to second, my bike's been knocking itself back to neutral/first. I'm able to shift back to second after lowering the RPMS and keep on my way. It seems like it's happening more frequently over time and usually under hard acceleration.

Should I install a new set of plates/springs?

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Re: Clutch slips from second to first
Reply #1 - 07/12/22 at 18:59:22

Have you tried slamming the throttle shutandjakkin the shifter at the same time? No clutch?
If it's bouncing off of second, the shifter might be loose. Have a look.
Eyeball the rod usually a Lift shift doesn't have trouble, the push ,downshift,, flexes if it's bent.
Have you gotten harsh Gettin it in first? That can bend on e.
Are you goin at it
With Gusto?

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Reply #2 - 07/12/22 at 19:05:56

Thanks Justin I can check some of these out tomorrow. About shifting with gusto I'm guilty some mornings of not giving enough force but it's definitely kicking back down on it's own.

What you mentioned about going into first is interesting -- When i'm at anything over an idle it doesn't want to shift down into first (not that I try to force it), can make a hell of a rattle sometimes if I try. I figured this was just normal. You think I could have bent something that way?

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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2778	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #3 - 07/12/22 at 19:18:54 The shift rod is probably bent. I had a similar issue on my bike and the rod snapped not long after. I had to ride home in 2nd gear.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #4 - 07/12/22 at 20:14:04 Do you sit in neutral And hold the clutch lever in?
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Surviving Philadelphia YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 42	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #5 - 07/13/22 at 05:46:26 I'm in city traffic all day everyday, usually sitting in first with the level pulled in unless I catch a full red light. Stop signs in Philly are more a suggestion than an actual stop. When you guys mention the rod being bent, are we talking about on the shifter or the internal rod that comes in different sizes?
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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2778	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #6 - 07/13/22 at 06:23:29 Shift linkage.
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Surviving Philadelphia YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 42	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #7 - 07/13/22 at 06:28:34 Hey thanks for the picture man I'll check this out today.
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Re: Clutch slips from second to first
Reply #8 - 07/13/22 at 21:47:32

Who's taking a swing at if it's bent
How did it get that way?

I'm goin with clutch Lever held in
In first
Gears stop and are not ready to engage
Rather than let clutch lever out and bounce off the friction zone, spinning the gears, got determined to put it in first and applied the boot.
I watched a guy do that at a red light once. But he wasn't just pushing a little hard, he was raising his boot almost a foot and stomping. I was not about to get in that.

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Surviving Philadelphia YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 42	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #9 - 07/14/22 at 14:43:42 So I took a look today before hitting the road -- there's definitely a slight bend to the rod, doesn't seem all that bad though. Time to replace?
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Re: Clutch slips from second to first
Reply #10 - 07/14/22 at 17:58:54

The slight bend is making the linkage shorter than it was from the factory. So it might be out of adjustment.

You should replace it because it could bend more and eventually break as mine did.

In the meantime, you could adjust the rod by making it slightly longer. This might clean up your shifting issues. But that's not what I would do. I would leave it alone until the new rod shows up. Then I would bed it straight, measure the length between the ends and use that as a guide for installing the new rod.

Hopefully, that will solve your issue and you won't have to go digging around.

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ohiomoto Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2778	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #11 - 07/14/22 at 18:02:26 Oh yeah, Check out Drag Bike Mike's threads. Somewhere in there, he covers how to make sure the nuts linkage is set up properly. For example, there is a punch mark on the end of the shift shaft. The cut in the linkage has to be lined up with that dot. That will affect the geometry of the linkage.
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Re: Clutch slips from second to first
Reply #12 - 07/14/22 at 19:32:43

Yes! Make sure the slot lines up with the dot! On ''most'' bikes the shifter is adjusted by moving the lever on the spline, NOT THIS ONE!
If the dot is not lined up with the slot the rod will hit the bottom of the engine case, (that could be why yours is bent) interfering with the shifting action.
Adjust the length of the rod to get the shifter in the ''right'' place for your foot.
Check to see if the rod hits the case, the paint will be marked-up.
That could be your whole issue.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #13 - 07/15/22 at 10:26:03 It's gonna flex, particularly on the down shifts. It's not gonna last. Now, it's up to you to figure out how you bent it. Read what you have been told. Think about it
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DragBikeMike Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 4408 Honolulu	Re: Clutch slips from second to first Reply #14 - 07/16/22 at 16:08:40 The older bikes don't have the punch mark. My 2016 had it but the 1997 engine I have did not have a punch mark. I will try and post some pics.
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