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Reply #60 - 05/30/22 at 07:49:55
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/29/22 at 22:37:26:
Spout numbers,, I seriously don't care. Nor do I believe your numbers. It doesn't matter if you are correct.

Yeah,... I get that
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Reply #61 - 05/30/22 at 10:59:54
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/29/22 at 13:02:31:
"... 95% don't like or want anything to do with guns ..."


A-Yep, that number comes from,
ONE,
Very ULTRA, UL FDS Socialist teaching school.


Was it CNN or Hoppy change, Or Tweedledum,
that,
TOLD YOU to say that ?

(Or is it just a bout of, TDS kicking in ?)

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Reply #62 - 05/30/22 at 12:07:43
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/27/22 at 15:44:42:
Do teachers want to be armed?

Aside from police officers, some Republican lawmakers also support the idea of arming teachers. The problem is many teachers do not want to be armed, and they are not interested in having a firearm in their classroom.

A 2019 study conducted by California State Univerity at Northridge found that “the overwhelming majority [95.3 percent] do not believe teachers should be carrying a gun in the classroom.” Another concern for many was having to use the weapon, with under 6.5 percent saying they would be comfortable using the weapon in a case a shooter entered the school.

When looking at those who were gun owners, only 11.5 percent said that they “believed being armed while teaching should be part of a teacher’s responsibilities.”

Lastly, the researcher reported that a majority, sixty-four percent believed that the presence of firearms on campus could pose a greater threat to school safety.

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Reply #63 - 05/30/22 at 12:27:21
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/30/22 at 12:07:43:
Serowbot wrote on 05/27/22 at 15:44:42:
Do teachers want to be armed?

Aside from police officers, some Republican lawmakers also support the idea of arming teachers. The problem is many teachers do not want to be armed, and they are not interested in having a firearm in their classroom.

As is their choice.

A 2019 study conducted by California State Univerity at Northridge found that “the overwhelming majority [95.3 percent] do not believe teachers should be carrying a gun in the classroom.”
In a decent world, that isn't unreasonable.
But the minority who would arm themselves and be prepared to defend themselves and the kids, they should be able to.

Another concern for many was having to use the weapon, with under 6.5 percent saying they would be comfortable using the weapon in a case a shooter entered the school.

Well,the idea of pointing a gun at someone and trying to kill them isn't something normal people want to do. But when one of those people comes into your life intending to end your life, you can die or defend yourself and the kids. It's NOT something to consider lightly. I'm sure being forced to shoot someone would be painfully life changing. Or, you could watch someone murder kids and then point it at you. Not a real comfortable position.

When looking at those who were gun owners, only 11.5 percent said that they “believed being armed while teaching should be part of a teacher’s responsibilities.”


No, it really SHOULD NOT be something they need to do.
Kinda Looks like, sometimes, it gets there.

Lastly, the researcher reported that a majority, sixty-four percent believed that the presence of firearms on campus could pose a greater threat to school safety.




And what historical events would they bring into the conversation to point to that would make that a real consideration?
The ROTC people used to have weapons on campus. High school kids used to haul their hunting rifles to school and go hunting before they went home. Just because someone can imagine a horror doesn't mean a teacher should be stripped of the right to protect themselves.

Let's Take a Chaaance. Let's get rid of the signs and ALLOW teachers to get a CC license and carry, IF THEY WANT TO.

The signs have not been effective.
And I'm not aware of Any school where teachers are armed that has been attacked.
Even IF its not a Perfect Deterrent, even IF it doesn't mean no kids or teachers get shot,it's still a better answer than the clear failure of the signs.

How is it possible to continue to argue against what has not been allowed to even try?
Ohh,wait!!
It's BEING DONE in quite a few places,, and nobody has grabbed teachers gun and gone off the rails.

I hope I've done a decent job of explaining and I look forward to the responses.
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Reply #64 - 05/30/22 at 12:33:17
 

The ROTC people used to have weapons on campus. High school kids used to haul their hunting rifles to school and go hunting before they went home. Just because someone can imagine a horror doesn't mean a teacher should be stripped of the right to protect themselves.


 Teachers are not "stripped of the right to protect themselves".

 Why are you avoiding being honest about that?  They can protect themselves, just nowhere near as much as they should be allowed to.
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Reply #65 - 05/30/22 at 13:07:54
 
As of now there about 100,000,000 more guns than when Parkland happened... more concealed and open carry than ever,... and more armed school security.  More school safety drills, and restricted school access.  More police training.
More everything you say you want.

..and we have more mass shootings than ever.

And you think signs are the problem?

100 million wasn't enough?
We need more guns to solve the problem.
Meantime let's take down the signs and watch more children die before we face facts.

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Reply #66 - 05/30/22 at 13:14:23
 
Eegore wrote on 05/30/22 at 12:33:17:
The ROTC people used to have weapons on campus. High school kids used to haul their hunting rifles to school and go hunting before they went home. Just because someone can imagine a horror doesn't mean a teacher should be stripped of the right to protect themselves.


 Teachers are not "stripped of the right to protect themselves".

 Why are you avoiding being honest about that?  They can protect themselves, just nowhere near as much as they should be allowed to.



Why are you so determined to pretend I'm saying they can't fight?
STOPPITT!!
Are you so narrow minded that you would pretend I'm saying they can't stab someone WHILE I'M ARGUING For Their Right to SHOOT THE BASTARD?
Their
SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
is the MutherFukkin TOPIC.
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Reply #67 - 05/30/22 at 13:22:03
 
95% of teachers don't want it.  At best you might find one in 20... perhaps an average of one teacher per school willing to carry.  Most likely you would have 5 or 6 in one school and none in 5 others.
Then there will be the lawsuits... when the gun is dropped or a kid finds one shoots someone, or a teacher has an accidental discharge.
Your county tax money will pay those million dollar settlements.
You will pay those.
Children will die.
...and on it will go.
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Reply #68 - 05/30/22 at 13:35:05
 
At best ...

... perhaps ...

        Most likely ...
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Reply #69 - 05/30/22 at 13:52:38
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/30/22 at 13:22:03:
95% of teachers don't want it.  At best you might find one in 20... perhaps an average of one teacher per school willing to carry.  Most likely you would have 5 or 6 in one school and none in 5 others.
Then there will be the lawsuits... when the gun is dropped or a kid finds one shoots someone, or a teacher has an accidental discharge.
Your county tax money will pay those million dollar settlements.
You will pay those.
Children will die.
...and on it will go.



You Know that the same way you Knew the signs would deter murderers?

If there is ONE armed teacher, the signs saying Staff are Armed and willing to kill you if you start shooting the place up
Would be a lot more of a deterrent than

No guns allowed.

Again, you have imagined the catastrophe and pretended you have the answer.

But you don't want to try something that would allow people to protect themselves and the kids.

I'm totally unable to get that.
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Reply #70 - 05/30/22 at 13:59:52
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/30/22 at 13:22:03:
95% of teachers don't want it.  At best you might find one in 20... perhaps an average of one teacher per school willing to carry.  Most likely you would have 5 or 6 in one school and none in 5 others.

Your estimation,, with Zero real world events. You Do Know that there are schools that have signs telling people
Our staff are Armed?
And that has been true for some time,,
Seriously? Drop a gun?
Are you unaware of how they are designed?
Not every pistol is designed the way the one was that the idiot shot the woman with. It's no longer necessary to leave the hole under the firing pin empty.
Then there will be the lawsuits... when the gun is dropped or a kid finds one shoots someone, or a teacher has an accidental discharge.

Your fears are unfounded. It's been done. I think you should call the cops to come Get your gun,because expecting people to not be idiots is just too much.
Teachers are not smart enough to handle guns safely? So why hand over the kids to idiots?
Your county tax money will pay those million dollar settlements.
You will pay those.
Children will die.
...and on it will go.

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