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danyboy YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15 Drummondville, QC, Canada Gender:	Brake line fill from empty: not filling. 04/10/22 at 06:54:23 Recently bought a 2002 Savage. Front brake pads were worn real bad, oil was pitch black. Installed new pads, drained oil. Can't seem to fill, container stays full even if bleed nipple is screwed off. Did this before but I forget. What am I doing wrong ?
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18099 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #1 - 04/10/22 at 07:42:17 Most likely an air bubble is blocking flow. I use a hand vacuum pump to pull the fluid down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvBAPNQWr04
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Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling.
Reply #2 - 04/10/22 at 08:18:40

yep, you got air in the master and it's not going to flow w/out a little help.

vacuum bleeder is probably the most reliable way to get it going.

but you can try this, put the palm of your hand on top of the reservoir and push down, take your hand off w/out lifting. this may take several times but it's worked for me.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #3 - 04/10/22 at 08:30:30 If you have a nebulizer or small compressor you can hook up to the intake with small tubing, that will draw fluid. Some brass tubing in and out of a mason jar and shazzam, you have a reservoir that holds fluid, protecting your pump. You can bleed brakes all by yourself.
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Ruttly Serious Thumper Offline Thumpers Rule Posts: 5106 Manteca , CA Gender:	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #4 - 04/10/22 at 12:03:41 You just have to be smarter than those tiny little bubbles ,
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danyboy YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 15 Drummondville, QC, Canada Gender:	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #5 - 04/10/22 at 15:31:45 Didn't know about those vacuum pumps for brake lines. I'll try to find one. Thanks guys for your help.
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18099 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #6 - 04/10/22 at 15:40:19 danyboy wrote on 04/10/22 at 15:31:45: Didn't know about those vacuum pumps for brake lines. I'll try to find one. Thanks guys for your help. Harbor Freight, Autozone, or similar stores should have them. They are really handy if you are going to be doing this stuff.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #7 - 04/10/22 at 21:27:16 Probably land it with a big syringe.
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Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling.
Reply #8 - 04/11/22 at 17:24:06

Dave wrote on 04/10/22 at 15:40:19:

danyboy wrote on 04/10/22 at 15:31:45:

Didn't know about those vacuum pumps for brake lines. I'll try to find one. Thanks guys for your help.

Harbor Freight, Autozone, or similar stores should have them.

They are really handy if you are going to be doing this stuff.

None of those stores up here. I'll have to order online.
Forgot to mention, emtied everything .before filling, container, hose, caliper and took the piston out,cleaned the inside of the caliper real well, the piston and put the piston back in, all the way in.
No bleeder pump yet,I pumped the handle,bled by the bleeding nipple for about4 hours.line is full. Oil coming out of bleeder nipple all right but Still no pressure. Piston never moved ( could see the inside pad was all the way in.
What bugs me is I did this before and don't recall having to pump for so long.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #9 - 04/11/22 at 17:59:17 How much fluid came out the bleed nipple? Seriously, a syringe from a feed store. Some stiff wall tubing and it should pull enough down into the piston of the master cylinder to be able to bleed it,, Be worth a coupla bucks,, eh?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling. Reply #10 - 04/11/22 at 18:43:05 take the top connection off, this will remove all back pressure from the system. squeeze the lever, use your thumb to seal the end, release the lever repeat releasing your thumb while squeezing. once you see any flow, replace the top connection.
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Reply #11 - 04/12/22 at 03:56:02

danyboy wrote on 04/11/22 at 17:24:06:

None of those stores up here. I'll have to order online.

Knowing where you live does help us to avoid giving bad advice.

I read through all 3 of your posts.....and I can't see anywhere that you live in a remote place.

Help us out.....you can add your location to your personal information using the "My Center" part of the forum - then everyone can see what part of the world you live in.

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Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling.
Reply #12 - 04/12/22 at 05:03:22

Dave wrote on 04/12/22 at 03:56:02:

Knowing where you live does help us to avoid giving bad advice.

I read through all 3 of your posts.....and I can't see anywhere that you live in a remote place.

Help us out.....you can add your location to your personal information using the "My Center" part of the forum - then everyone can see what part of the world you live in.

Sorry, I live in Drummondville(QC), Canada. Looked for a way to modify my profile to 8nclude my location and don't seem to be a way to add it now that I'm registered.

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Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling.
Reply #13 - 04/12/22 at 05:50:57

I use a syringe from time to time. It does help to reduce the time it takes to bleed the air out of the brake system, but it doesn't fix an existing problem.

From my experience, a brake system that wont prime/bleed is one in need of a rebuild. Usually the master cylinder is the culprit. Have you tried priming the master to see if it makes pressure?

How do you prime the master you ask? Remove the brake line from the master. Place a finger over the brake line exit port on the master. Add just a little fluid and begin pumping, allowing air to escape while compressing the lever, and covering the port with your finger when releasing the lever. If you don't get a shot of fluid within just a few strokes, it's time to rebuild the master.

If you get a successful prime, then bleeding will not be a problem - even without any other methods mentioned above. If it still wont bleed, then it's time to look at the caliper or even the brake line itself.

A properly functioning brake system does not require a vac, syringe or anything else - other than proper technique - to prime and bleed.

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Re: Brake line fill from empty: not filling.
Reply #14 - 04/12/22 at 06:43:50

danyboy wrote on 04/12/22 at 05:03:22:

Sorry, I live in Drummondville(QC), Canada. Looked for a way to modify my profile to 8nclude my location and don't seem to be a way to add it now that I'm registered.

Click on CPanel at the top of the listing
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Then add your Location

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