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Don't use stainless steel fasteners
03/09/22 at 05:21:09
 
Just something that I learned the hard way some time ago. They are very problematic, they suffer from what is called "galling", which is basically easily damaged threads, that easily lock up, especially when used in combination of both stainless steel bolts and nuts. Once you torque down a stainless bolt and nut, chances are the threads are locked up, and you won't be able to undo them. They should only be used in marine environments, or where the fasteners are exposed to a lot of salt.

Also, they are not as strong as grade 8 fasteners. I personally always try to use grade 8 fasteners, or class 10.9, which is the metric equivalent. These are the same bolts that are used in automotive suspensions, they are extremely durable, and come with various coatings that are corrosion resistant. I prefer zinc yellow chromate coating for maximum resistance.
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Reply #1 - 03/09/22 at 06:03:49
 
Does it matter what they are screwed into? No nuts on the SS screws here, they are in aluminum.
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Reply #2 - 03/09/22 at 06:08:58
 
Oh boy...this is not valid advice. It depends what you are using them for.
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Reply #3 - 03/09/22 at 07:02:07
 
I've never seen a problem with the few I've used.
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Reply #4 - 03/09/22 at 08:07:58
 
If you use a stainless screw/bolt with a stainless nut, use anti-seize.  Stainless fasteners in aluminum are not a problem, and stainless fasteners in steel (not stainless) are not a problem.  Stainless on stainless will gall the threads and more than likely seize if used dry.

You are opening a huge can of worms if you want to talk strength of different materials!
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Reply #5 - 03/09/22 at 08:08:39
 
There is some validity to this if over torqued, why measured torque (read use actual wrench) is important. One thing is stainless bolts in aluminum, it is particularly a problem as aluminum threads are much softer and more easily damaged, so things like header bolts are very susceptible. One way to minimize is to use of anti-seize. Anyone who works on salt water marine applications will tell how important anti-seize is on stainless fasteners in any other metal. Anti-seize does require some additional consideration of torque specs, but for most of our application it is nominal.
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Reply #6 - 03/09/22 at 08:27:39
 
TheSneeze wrote on 03/09/22 at 08:07:58:
If you use a stainless screw/bolt with a stainless nut, use anti-seize.  Stainless fasteners in aluminum are not a problem, and stainless fasteners in steel (not stainless) are not a problem.  Stainless on stainless will gall the threads and more than likely seize if used dry.

You are opening a huge can of worms if you want to talk strength of different materials!


Stainless steel into aluminum is not a problem, aluminum is too soft to damage stainless threads. However, stainless into steel often causes problems as well - torque it hard, and threads often lock up.

Stainless into stainless is almost always a problem, the finer the thread, the worse it gets. If you must use stainless, torque them slowly, and use anti seize compound.
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Reply #7 - 03/09/22 at 08:30:28
 
Gary_in_NJ wrote on 03/09/22 at 06:08:58:
Oh boy...this is not valid advice. It depends what you are using them for.


True, but in most common applications it may be tempting to use a stainless steel bolt and nut... don't! Unless you really have to due to corrosion concerns.

Especially if it is in an application when you have to periodically undo and redo the fasteners.
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och wrote on 03/09/22 at 08:30:28:
Especially if it is in an application when you have to periodically undo and redo the fasteners.


If you need a grade 8, then you must use a grade 8 or equivalent. I wouldn't hesitate to use SS on items like covers (plastic covers, engine covers - things that are torqued to in-lbs) and brackets.

My rule: if I can see the fastener, and sheer or tension strength isn't critical, then SS is a good choice.
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Reply #9 - 03/09/22 at 10:37:35
 
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If you need a grade 8, then you must use a grade 8 or equivalent.


I tend to always use grade 8, even if they are not required. The price difference between grade 5 and 8 is negligible, but somehow the quality of the grade 8 is satisfying.


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I wouldn't hesitate to use SS on items like covers (plastic covers, engine covers - things that are torqued to in-lbs) and brackets.

My rule: if I can see the fastener, and sheer or tension strength isn't critical, then SS is a good choice.  


Yep, that I can agree with. I should have been more clear in my initial post.

But no matter what you do, don't use bolts made with Chinesium.  Grin
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Reply #10 - 03/09/22 at 15:41:05
 
For years I have been using stainless button head screws for nearly all the places that hold on fenders, turn signals, side covers, etc.  For the wheels, brakes, engine mounts, etc. I use the stock fasteners so that I have the correct strength fastener.

I agree that dry stainless on stainless can be a problem - but thread locker prevents the fastener from galling and also prevents them from coming loose!



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Reply #12 - 03/09/22 at 19:06:23
 
My heart yet soars,that just makes me happy..
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Reply #13 - 03/09/22 at 21:38:56
 
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Reply #14 - 03/10/22 at 08:07:35
 
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