Good question to ax circle-back jen psaki!  Think she'd understand?

So, howcumizzit lefties don't run in here and explain this? Is it because they can't? They Want this?
This is a Forum. Where people toss ideas around, ask questions..

And I need to understand why imported oil is not harmful to the environment but oil produced here is Bad.

And seeing the support for wrecking our production of oil by lefties,I don't know who else to ask.

C'mon guys,, explain it for me. But remember, I'm gonna need the Readers Digest version. I'm a conservative and by definition unable to deal with nuance.

F..J..B..

I'm not a psychologist so all I have is the question. What I want to know is

What would a psychologist call someone who holds beliefs strongly but can't logically defend them?

I don't want to create a divisive climate, but you answered your own question. You asked a political question on a motorcycle forum and asked why no one refutes you in your believes. You then made the jump to a lack of response was proof of the validity of your suppositions and insulted those who may disagree but did not respond.

Reality is our government is locked in a death spiral of disinformation and bipartisanship, When you insult one side it creates a dis-enfranchised response, or lack of as the case may be. Nobody wants to be questioned with the lead in of "hey idiot tell me why what I think and believe is wrong". It just leads to a shut down of the channels of communications that is paralyzing our government and society.

This forum is about our shared interest that has nothing to do with the great questions of society. Sure to create bonds and further personal connections amongst us this discussion string serves that purpose, but don't justify a personal position and assume everyone is in agreement because folks choose not to make an argument against an opinion is legitimate acceptance of it in our world.

If you want an understanding of what you ask, consume real media, that is not what is presented to you in the online realm, read a newspaper, maybe 2 a day. Watch a news cast on broadcast television which is required by law to be non-biased. These are formats of information held to a higher standard of truthfulness and honesty, then online and internet based media outlets.

The answers about the issues of the underlying questions you are asking are there everyday, our future as a society depends on everybody getting the truthful "documented" facts about all aspects of how we exist and live.

But in the end, this question was is it better to buy oil or produce it? That's not the question, moving away from oil is the question. To move away is it to electric. Where does the electric come from? Well it is from power plants, yes, be they coal fired, or natural gas which is not part of the question you asked, but needs to be considered. Is it hydro, which is controlled in the US by Canada? Is it solar or wind? In the end without alternative options the push will be towards an existing and entrenched technology which has already been discredited and that is Nuclear.

The increased oil production in America is primarily due to Fracking, it works very well and has lowered the cost, but don't be fooled it is environmentally a problem. It takes what was previously considered hazardous toxic chemical processing waste and injects it into the ground to, in effect loosen the flow of the crude locked in rock, primarily shale formations. So petrochemical processors no longer pay to have their hazardous waste dealt with, they now sell it to oil mining to be injected into the ground and contaminate the substrata. This is a substantial change in the economic dynamic that encompasses everything from the refining industry to Wall Street.

I could go on and write a tutorial on it all, but to spend the time and not have it change any minds, so what's the point. Make it a habit to read at least 2 newspapers a day, in my case it is a Gannett paper, the Asbury Park Press and the New York Times. I watch 1 - 2 broadcast television newscasts a day, but not a non-stop barrage of cable babble. And the most important, consume nothing in the way of news off the internet that is not fully fact checked or verified, nothing. It is not required to be so by law, again, not required to be so by law. Newspapers and broadcast media are.

So disinformation is the standard and norm of the internet. This forum we exist in is part of that cyber community also. I get this chat thread is what it is, but don't call out folks with different political views insultingly and don't make it that a lack of response on a motorcycle forum justifies your political or social views.

SoC wrote on 03/09/22 at 22:40:32:


So a question was asked.
You say it is the wrong question.
Then say what the  question should be.

Saying;
"...That's not the question, moving away from oil is the question..."
Is rather the same as;
"..."hey idiot tell me why what I think and believe is wrong"..."

A friend of mine is a VP for an oil drilling company, and he has over 40 years in the business.  He told me we have over 300 years of oil and natural gas deposits in the US that they are aware of but they are not permitted to get.

LGB

Best regards,