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It's like Russia Russia Russia all over again
02/06/22 at 13:14:39
 
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/cdc-finally-admits-natural-immunity-is...




(Natural News) After several months, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) finally admitted that natural immunity is more effective against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) than vaccines. This contradicts its earlier claim that immunity induced by the COVID-19 vaccines is better.


The public health agency made this admission in the Jan. 28, 2022 edition of its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), initially published last Jan. 19. It showed that natural immunity was at least three times as effective as COVID-19 vaccines in preventing people from being infected and hospitalized. The CDC’s findings applied to the B16172 delta variant known to cause breakthrough infections.

“Before delta became the predominant variant in June [2021], case rates were higher among persons who survived a previous infection than persons who were vaccinated alone. By early October, persons who survived a previous infection had lower case rates than [vaccinated] persons,” said the MMWR.


The report also noted that natural immunity was higher during the delta variant’s predominant period. It cited the delta strain’s ability to evade immunity and waning vaccine immunity over time as the reasons for this.


The MMWR referenced a CDC study that examined four categories of people in California and New York between May and November 2021. It looked at unvaccinated and vaccinated people who survived a bout with COVID-19, and both groups who had never contracted SARS-CoV-2.

Unvaccinated, naturally immune people had infection rates almost 15 to 30 times lower than those without any immunity whatsoever. Those who got injected with the COVID-19 vaccine with no prior SARS-CoV-2 expo .


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Those who got injected with the COVID-19 vaccine with no prior SARS-CoV-2 exposure only had around 4.5 to 6.2 percent lower infections than those without any immunity whatsoever.

Similar results were found when it comes to hospitalizations, with naturally immune people two to six times less likely to be hospitalized than those with immunity stemming from the COVID-19 shots. (Related: CDC admits natural immunity offers better protection than experimental COVID jabs.)

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https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris

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Re: It's like Russia Russia Russia all over again
Reply #1 - 02/06/22 at 14:35:29
 
Just like, "Vicar of Dibley"
and Owen's duck.

"...Wait for it, Wait For It, WAIT FOR IT ..."


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Reply #2 - 02/06/22 at 23:12:56
 

"After several months, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) finally admitted that natural immunity is more effective against the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) than vaccines. This contradicts its earlier claim that immunity induced by the COVID-19 vaccines is better."

 If you choose to ignore the actual ratios of the study and when it was performed - this is true.  If you use the actual study, and the information in it, this is false.

 But when did we start using the actual source information instead of the words of someone that tells us what we want to be true?  


 But lets just say for the sake of argument that the information is correct and has remain unchanged.  "The CDC says"  Again, the CDC released this information.  

 So in this case it's ok to use CDC information.

 But if the information from the CDC says vaccines + Boosters are more effective - then all the sudden the CDC can't be trusted and are liars.

 Why is the CDC a trusted source on one day, but liars the next?  Might it be because we are only willing to accept information that says things we like?  Yes.  Yes, that is why a source is wrong, and also somehow right.



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Reply #3 - 02/06/22 at 23:32:13
 
"According to Prof. Yaakov Jerris, director of Ichilov Hospital’s coronavirus ward, the situation is completely opposite."


 According to facial recognition software and staffing records at Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center there is no Yaakov Jerris, the person in these "reports" is Prof. Jacob Giris.  This may be a translation mistake as there is also no Ichilov Hospital anymore, but Giris does refer to it in his statements.  

https://www.tasmc.org.il/Personnel/pages/giris-jacob.aspx


 Four Hebrew translation experts evaluated this for me, independently and without knowledge of each other.  All indicated the language was "odd" or grammatically incorrect.  

 He never said "80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated" but instead said "most patients are coming into his hospital for other conditions, and incidentally found to have COVID-19  -  the mortality rate is very low  -  COVID-19 is often not the cause of death for his patients - the public should not panic.

https://www.facebook.com/ichilovmedical/photos/a.889991514347769/548894924111...

 So if we use his actual words and not a blog:  Between 70% and 80% of his severe cases are vaccinated with at least three shots.

 According to Giris Vaccination status has no significance, since the patients are seriously sick from their admitting condition(s).

 This reflects information he posted the prior week as well.


 This is a textbook case of Base Rate Fallacy at work.  When most of the population is vaccinated - most of the people in hospitals will be vaccinated.  Vaccinations do not eliminate all other health conditions.  Most people are not dying from Covid.  Most people are vaccinated.

 Of people who die from Covid - most are unvaccinated.  Of the people with severe Covid reactions - most are unvaccinated.  

 But who cares about accuracy if the internet articles says what we like.  Truth only matters if we don't like what is being said.
 
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Reply #4 - 02/07/22 at 13:46:22
 
Eegore wrote on 02/06/22 at 23:12:56:
" ...   Why is the CDC a trusted source on one day,
but liars the next? ... "
 

Simply because,
      one day,
  the CDC Lies,
and one  day they don't.
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Reply #5 - 02/07/22 at 15:30:59
 
Simply because,
     one day,
 the CDC Lies,
and one  day they don't.



 I'd think if they were pushing this vaccines are the only solution propaganda we wouldn't be using their own publicly published reports.  Why publish information that works against their goal?  Maybe because evidence is the driving factor and not opinion.  When we use evidence opinions change.

 Oh I forgot, if the CDC publishes something, and someone else lies to you about that report, the CDC lied.  Not the person who actually lied.  Like in this case, what the actual report says is different than what we were told it says.  But we can't possibly consider the internet article to be biased or lying, only the CDC is lying.

 Of course we can maintain this stance if we don't look at the actual documentation.  Then we can say it is not part of our observed reality, since we refuse to observe it.  

 

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