So I got to sit through a press meeting regarding an influx of FEMA medical providers being sent to CO.  This is needed as the patient to provider ratio is dangerous.  An ICU nurse should not have 9 patients.

 There were multiple questions but the big one of the day, which makes sense, is:  Why should Medical Company X get FEMA/tax dollar relief for staffing shortages when they fired people for not getting the vaccine?

 Nobody was fired.

 However question after question attempted to circumvent the "Zero" fired staff and kept coming around to justifying the FEMA aid when Medical Company X brought this on themselves.  By firing zero staff they somehow brought on staff shortages?

 Now some staff did voluntarily leave when they were informed they would need a medical or religious exemption.  They didn't want for whatever reason(s) to fill out an exemption so they left.  By choice.

 So is this the same thing as firing someone?  Is requiring an exemption that anyone can fill out, and is not analyzed (Religious exemptions) equal to terminating their employment?

So absolutely, NO PENALTY,
for LYING on this form ?

 How would anyone know you are LYING about your religion?

 The protocol in place is to provide an exemption form.  Not for that form to be read, used, analyzed, evaluated or otherwise verified in any way other than it was submitted and exists.

 

 So is requiring an exemption that anyone can fill out, and is not analyzed (Religious exemptions) equal to terminating their employment?

Apparently for some,
It makes no difference,
if they LIE or not.


 We can bring up negative things from a million sources in a million other situations, compare it to gun control, the IRS, whatever you want - but I am talking about this one situation.  This one scenario and only this one in exclusivity with the exemption of all other know scenarios.

 Lying on forms is a crime in certain situations but not this one.  The form isn't even evaluated, one just has to submit it.

 Is choosing to not submit a religious exemption equal to being fired?

 Should an employee that chooses to leave instead of filling out a form be considered terminated from their job?

No, but borderline semantics. It’s common to force someone out of a job by means other than firing them. If you know someone would quit rather than work 3rd shift and you assign them 3rd shift, you simply found an easier way to get rid of someone you didn’t want without the unpleasantness of firing.


 I see your point.  I am not sure requiring a form that nobody evaluates would be considered "force" in this regard.  I'm not sure how anyone would know who will or will not fill out a form.

 From my perspective when the State Government requires something be done, like a vaccine for healthcare workers, and a Medical Company creates a way to be exempt by filling out a form, they are actually trying to help you keep your job.  

 This method is free, versus taking the State to court and fighting the mandate.  Personally I think trying to wordsmith this to make it sound like the medical Company fired a bunch of people is just a way to manufacture a story.  

 6 out of about 2000 employees left.  You don't need FEMA to come in statewide with hundreds of medical staff to replace 6 people.  But that doesn't matter if you can say the Medical Company is getting tax-funded relief because they fired people for not taking the vaccine.

YES
When it is, FORCING, someone to LIE on a from.


 They don't have to lie or fill out the form.  Two of the people that quit are practicing in a religion that stated the embryonic cell research prohibits the taking of the vaccine as well as many other products.  So they wouldn't even be lying.

 The form is an option to circumvent State mandate.  But if one chooses to not fill out a form and quit, they are fired?  I get that if they wait they could be fired, but if you leave before you are actually fired, were you fired?

 

"From what you reported, people left their job,
because they were required to LIE on a form.
Regardless of, if you think, no one will look at that form.
(Golly gee Wally, look at the people that ticked a box, on a form, in the mid/late 40's. Then it came to Bite Them In The AZZ in 1950 !)"

 
 Gee Wally this form isn't an official Government document.  You can lie on it all day because the standard is that it exists, not that it is accurate and applicable under criminal law.

 I do see the logic that an employee feels they should not have to fill out any forms of any kind to be exempt from a vaccine.

I don't see that when they decide they do not want to compromise their personal standards and lie on any form anywhere that means they are fired.  If it were me I would have actually waited to be fired and not quit then say I was fired.

 If my job relocates to Mexico effective Jan 01 2023.  I walk off the job today because I was "forced" to move to Mexico to keep my job.  I was fired?  Would you believe me if I said I was "fired" from a job I could still have tomorrow but chose to leave today?  


 Either way, how are hundreds of medical staff needed across the State to replace 6 people?  That math for sure makes no sense.

Seriously?

 Yes.

 If a job presents a stipulation for employment that you can not achieve, either by moral values or physical limitations, and you leave, were you fired?

 I understand the manipulation that can happen, but I don't understand how people that choose to leave are "fired".  They left before they were fired.

"If management purposely stipulated a change knowing the person would refuse and they did this as a means to get rid of them, call it a cowardly way to fire someone.
If it was a business decision like it sounds in your case, no, you weren’t fired."


 I agree.  I have seen situations where a legal, yet completely unreasonable change in work conditions was used to get a person to leave.  This wouldn't be "firing" someone but is absolutely a means of terminating employment by duress.

 In this case the Forms are an attempt to let people keep their jobs after a State mandate changed the working conditions.  The requirement is that a Form is submitted and that's it.  There is no requirement that it be read, used or otherwise evaluated.  So if a person gets upset that they need to fill out a form and walks off the job - they were not "fired".  They got mad and walked off.

 Only 6 so far have done this and none of them have claimed they were fired.  Of course that won't stop others from saying they were to get a good story out of it.

ICU nurses,just went home,,

 I never said they were ICU nurses.

 6 staff of almost 2000 left when they heard the State initiated a vaccine mandate.

 Now it is claimed that hundreds of staff are needed because of all the people the medical Company fired.  All zero were fired, and 6 left due to the Mandate.  A few hundred people across the entire State are needed for that?  Talk about misrepresentation.