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Reply #45 - 12/30/21 at 14:26:48

Hey,...way to go Texas!... Cool

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"Clinical trials have shown that Corbevax is safe and estimates indicate that it’s more than 90% effective against the original form of the coronavirus, as well as more than 80% effective against the Delta variant.

Importantly, it can be stored using standard refrigeration, which would allow for more widespread transportation and use than the mRNA vaccines that require special refrigeration.

Moreover, the vaccine technology was developed without patents, and the researchers plan to widely share their blueprints and/or co-develop the vaccine with any willing manufacturers and countries for no added financial gain. As a result, a mass-produced single dose is estimated to run about $1.50. In comparison, Pfizer and Moderna recently inked deals reportedly charging around $25 per dose in Europe. "

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Reply #46 - 12/31/21 at 13:05:31

Serowbot wrote on 12/30/21 at 14:26:48:

" ...Pfizer and Moderna recently inked deals reportedly charging around $25 per dose in Europe. "

Any 'news/information', on what was charged,
to the US Government/local hospitals/clinics/chain drug stores?

It was NOT, 'free', like the texts I got, (and still getting some), to get a shot.

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Reply #47 - 12/31/21 at 13:26:20

It is free to the consumer.

No item is strictly free, somewhere cost was involved that somebody paid for. So no, nothing is free universally to all beings on the planet, but some things are free to the end-user at the time of service.

Hopefully these not free ones won't violate the process of law and vaccinate prior to providing information like those other places where there is zero evidence of any kind that it happened. Too bad with all these blatant and easy to prove violations nobody ever thought to get proof.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9384 Minn Gender:	Re: Seriously,, A question Reply #48 - 12/31/21 at 13:38:23 Eegore wrote on 12/31/21 at 13:26:20: *It is free to the consumer. ..."* Again, that is a Yes and No. If you live under a bridge, or get 'help' (Welfare), then yes, it is 'free' for those people. The rest of the people that pay taxes, and have their FORCED saving account drained. ARE PAYING !!!!!!!
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Reply #49 - 12/31/21 at 13:56:05

If you live under a bridge,
or get 'help' (Welfare),
then yes, it is 'free' for those people.

The rest of the people that pay taxes,
and have their FORCED saving account drained.
ARE PAYING !!!!!!!

Yeah, I already said no item is universally free. But the end-user, at the time of service, does not pay anything.

Do you pay to use this forum? Is it Free?

Of course not. But is it Free for You to use? Do you personally have to, not voluntarily, but are you required to pay?

The forum is free to use. It is not zero cost to run. So telling people the forum is not free is misleading. Some portion of our Federal tax dollars went to maintaining the infrastructure that allows this forum to exist, outside of the personal income used to pay it's direct fees. So if a person asks if this forum and website are Free to use, and I say "No", and explain the tax percentage breakdowns showing how the site itself has associated costs is what they would expect to hear?

This forum is not free just like vaccines are not free.

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Reply #50 - 01/01/22 at 08:26:00

Eegore wrote on 12/31/21 at 13:26:20:

It is free to the consumer. ..."

Again,
only if that end user, consumer,
gets EVERYTHING 'free'.

Because Taxes, (income/gains/sales/vat/etc)
Because forced Saving,(social security)
PAY.

You say you agreed with that.
So why say:
" ... But the end-user, at the time of service, does not pay anything..."

Why not agree that , only someone living under a bridge in a cardboard box living on only donations. Or someone who has their housing, food, healthcare, paid for.
are the only ones that, "...does not pay anything..."

Why spin saying, "...The forum is free to use. It is not zero cost to run. ...",
This is about a FREE shot.
Not about, viewing a forum which will cost electricity/internet connection/etc. so it is not, 'free'.
Wait, one could go to a public Library !
Wait, that would cost Gas in a car, or bicycle tries, or the soles of your shoes.
Wait, if you lived in a cardboard box, under a bridge, and everything you used was given to you, then using the library would be truly free.
Oh wait, no address, so no library card.
Wait, some places a person can use library computers, without a card.

And again, the point is.
'Free' is added to, 'Forced'.

Wait, no one is, 'Forced',
because they do NOT HAVE TO HAVE that job.
So they cannot get, food/healthcare/housing.
Wait, somewhere their is a bridge, and a cardboard box.

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Reply #51 - 01/01/22 at 12:11:25

Why spin saying, "...The forum is free to use. It is not zero cost to run. ...",
This is about a FREE shot.
Not about, viewing a forum which will cost electricity/internet connection/etc. so it is not, 'free'.

Coming from someone that continually tries to compare any topic to gun control it is interesting you want to keep this one focused.

Your example is referring to taxes paid into a system and therefore when a Human that pays TAXES goes and then gets a vaccine they did not get a FREE vaccine because they PAID TAXES.

They paid nothing for the shot at the time of service. They PAID TAXES and that means the procurement and distribution of a vaccine was not FREE specifically to a tax-paying Human.

This forum is the same thing. It's not something we pay to use, but for any Human that pays taxes this forum is not FREE.

So if a Human asks if this forum is FREE, do we say "No the forum is not free"?

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Reply #52 - 01/01/22 at 12:44:20

$25.00 for a shot, or $25,000.00 for a 3 week stay in a Covid ward.
Which would you rather pay for?
You will pay for those either with higher taxes or higher rates on your health insurance.
Nothing is free,... right?

Get vaxxed...
Unless you have $25k cash hanging around, your not being vaxxed is a potential financial burden to society.
Medical freeloading.
Irresponsible political grandstanding.

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Reply #53 - 01/01/22 at 14:20:59

Serowbot wrote on 01/01/22 at 12:44:20:

$25.00 for a shot, or $25,000.00 for a 3 week stay in a Covid ward.
Which would you rather pay for?
You will pay for those either with higher taxes or higher rates on your health insurance.
Nothing is free,... right?

Get vaxxed...
Unless you have $25k cash hanging around, your not being vaxxed is a potential financial burden to society.
Medical freeloading.
Irresponsible political grandstanding.

You say that as if the vacc,,err,jabbed, aren't being hospitalized and DYING..

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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8393	Re: Seriously,, A question Reply #54 - 01/01/22 at 14:28:08 "You say that as if the vacc,,err,jabbed, aren't being hospitalized and DYING.." You say that as if over a Billion humans have not taken the vaccine with zero side effects.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Seriously,, A question Reply #55 - 01/01/22 at 14:42:54 So you Say. One of us will be proven correct in time. Having seen the things I have My money is on me. Sadly, my daughter took it. I'd rather be wrong. But my eyes tell me I'm not.
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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8393	Re: Seriously,, A question Reply #56 - 01/01/22 at 16:26:43 Where are all the dead people? If 1 in 10 are effected from heart issues alone we should have millions dead or hospitalized. Where are they?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Seriously,, A question Reply #57 - 01/01/22 at 16:39:08 I'm not gonna go down your rabbit hole. The heart attacks in the young, healthy athletes speak for themselves. You CAN'T divert me. I've been dealing with you for a long time. I know what you are about.
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Reply #58 - 01/01/22 at 17:19:36

Really ?????
A number of years ago, I cut my hand.
Badly

I drove to the ER,
and I had to wait for 2 HOURS, before I got, 4 internal stitches, 5 outside stitches.

NO, Car accidents, NO, Heart Attacks, NO, Catastrophic injuries,
JUST, people complaining about, and wanting a ‘shot’,
to immediately fix them because they had the Flu.
And (Guessing, because of experience) every one was on WELFARE.

And you got the Balls to say :
Serowbot wrote on 01/01/22 at 12:44:20:

“ …Medical freeloading…”

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Reply #59 - 01/01/22 at 19:38:02

"The heart attacks in the young, healthy athletes speak for themselves."

180,958 US Marines.

Average age of a US marine is 21.

Marines undergo and maintain rigorous physical training.

94.6% of US Marines are vaccinated.

10% of 180,000 is 18,000.

Where are the 18 Thousand dead or hospitalized US Marines?

Iraq and Afghanistan combined since 2001 didn't even kill half that amount.

You reference a very very small percentage of overall athletes that have been vaccinated, yet you claim 1 in 10 die or are hospitalized from heart issues alone, present material the does Not say that, then claim I am going down a rabbit hole.

What about actual athletes? Why doesn't the NFL have 10% of it's vaccinated players in hospitals or morgues?

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