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Reply #15 - 12/28/21 at 13:48:59
 
I’ve lost count how many times I’ve seen it. Every warm day in winter, it’s on the news. Shows up over and over on TV shows and it’s practically a mandatory subplot for every Disney movie.
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Reply #16 - 12/28/21 at 14:08:48
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/28/21 at 09:39:51:
You need to watch "Don't Look Up"

Isn’t that the one where,
bunch of people ,
do NOT believe,
   that banning a model of gun,
will stop mass shootings ?      
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Reply #17 - 12/28/21 at 19:33:19
 

And the vaccines for c-19, are FORCED ?
With not a word from the companies about any side affects.



 Companies aren't paying for Covid ads, they are under the "PSA" category and do not require the same disclaimers.

 They absolutely should have the same disclaimer everyone gets when they choose to get the vaccine.  People have not been restrained against their will and FORCED to get a vaccine so if they choose to get it, they get the paperwork.

 Yes there is coercion, but not FORCE by definition.  If they choose to get a vaccine to keep their job, it's a choice.
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Reply #18 - 12/28/21 at 19:35:13
 
 As for Omicron variant response I am waiting for 4 clinical assessments to be reviewed to double-check my math and some Iranian medical records to come in before I create an assessment.
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Reply #19 - 12/29/21 at 07:28:35
 
Eegore wrote on 12/28/21 at 19:33:19:
 Companies aren't paying for Covid ads,  

               No, they are FREE !

“…they are under the "PSA" category and do not require the same disclaimers…”


What is PSA in regard to vaccine’s ?
PSA to me is Prostate-Specific Antigen.
And why, because they are PSA, are they Not Required to disclose all information ?


“… They absolutely should have the same disclaimer everyone gets when they choose to get the vaccine…”
“…if they choose to get it, they get the paperwork….”


People getting the c-19 vaccine, do not, get info BEFORE, only, ‘sometimes’,
AFTER they get the shot,
then, they get the paperwork/notification’s of side affects, etc !
         I can see it now,   ‘Oh BTY,
if you get a third ear growing out of your forehead,
         never mind’


“…People have not been restrained against their will and FORCED to get a vaccine…”

Nope, they have not been tied down, and injected.
YET

“…If they choose to get a vaccine to keep their job, it's a choice…”
“… coercion, but not FORCE…”


Glad you believe, that telling someone,
they can, NOT HAVE, a certain job,
(or enter a certain building, or be in a certain place)
unless they get a shot,  is not, ‘force’.

You must also be in favor of someone saying,
‘you can not have this job, go in this building, be in this place,
if your skin color/heritage/religion is …’

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Reply #20 - 12/29/21 at 07:41:41
 
What is PSA in regard to vaccine’s ?
PSA to me is Prostate-Specific Antigen.
And why, because they are PSA, are they Not Required to disclose all information ?



 Public Service Announcement.  There are a number of reasons that I am not going to go into as to why PSA is not equal to paying for advertising on a Network.  Given our last discussion regarding Networks or Broadcast Channels it would be futile to even try.


"People getting the c-19 vaccine, do not, get info BEFORE, only, ‘sometimes’,
AFTER they get the shot,
then, they get the paperwork/notification’s of side affects, etc !
        I can see it now,   ‘Oh BTY,
if you get a third ear growing out of your forehead,
        never mind"


 I have seen no evidence that anywhere is violating the informed consent laws, but if they are they should be held accountable.  It would be very easy to do, just record it happening.  Every location I have seen administers paperwork prior to any medical procedure of any kind.

 I notice claiming things without proof only works one way.  It's bad if gun-control does it, but its fine if anti-vaccine does it.  So where are people being vaccinated and not receiving the required consent paperwork BEFORE they receive the shot?



"Glad you believe, that telling someone,
they can, NOT HAVE, a certain job,
(or enter a certain building, or be in a certain place)
unless they get a shot,  is not, ‘force’."


 It's not "force", it is coercion.  If an employer ties you down, sedated you, gives you a vaccine, then says you can work there - it is forced.



You must also be in favor of someone saying,
‘you can not have this job, go in this building, be in this place,
if your skin color/heritage/religion is …’



 When their color/heritage/religion in exclusivity can infect me with a potentially deadly disease I would be in favor of limiting access based on those parameters.




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Reply #21 - 12/29/21 at 08:03:19
 
Eegore wrote on 12/29/21 at 07:41:41:
"...  When their color/heritage/religion in exclusivity can infect me with a potentially deadly disease I would be in favor of limiting access based on those parameters...."

Rather sure that, 'color/heritage/religion in exclusivity can infect me with a potentially deadly disease ' was, and perhaps still is, a reason.

Kinna like some people believing the vaccine will harm them ?
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Reply #22 - 12/29/21 at 08:31:42
 
Rather sure that, 'color/heritage/religion in exclusivity can infect me with a potentially deadly disease ' was, and perhaps still is, a reason.

Kinna like some people believing the vaccine will harm them ?



 No that's not the same.  A "reason" is not universal or equal.  You stated I "must" be in favor of restricting access to a location based off of "color/heritage/religion" not any other "reason".  

 I state that contagion is the "reason" and if "color/heritage/religion" become a method for spreading disease, in exclusivity, then I would be ok with restricting access.

 So "reason" Number 1 = Yours: color/heritage/religion

 Reason 2 = Mine is: Contagion.

 Those are not the same.  They are "reasons" but not the same or even "Kinna like" each other.


 
 
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Reply #23 - 12/29/21 at 10:58:44
 
Eegore wrote on 12/29/21 at 08:31:42:
" ...   I state that contagion is the "reason"
and if "color/heritage/religion" become a method for spreading disease,
in exclusivity, then I would be ok with restricting access.
 


So if you believe, or fear that someone, is, or could spread a disease,
(that someone, certainly has, a color of skin,
a heritage, and most likely a religion)

it is perfectly OK to, '... restrict their access...', to something.

Depending on, Color of Skin, Heritage, Religion,
their probably would be people,
that would have a name for that,
     exemption/exclusion.

The whole point is,
People are being, 'Forced' to take the vaccine.
Not by being tied down,
but by many, Many, MANY, other ways.








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"So if you believe, or fear that someone, is, or could spread a disease,
(that someone, certainly has, a color of skin,
a heritage, and most likely a religion)
it is perfectly OK to, '... restrict their access...', to something
."


 No.  If evidence exists that fits within the parameters of US law regarding the mitigation of infection or disease due to transmission from human to human.  The "fear" and "believe" are things You stated.



"The whole point is,
People are being, 'Forced' to take the vaccine.
Not by being tied down,
but by many, Many, MANY, other ways."


 I guess the difference is physical force specifically.
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Reply #25 - 12/29/21 at 13:44:28
 
If we were going to restrict based on anything,.. it should be fat old white guys in MAGA hats,
They're the ones resisting all safety measures, and the most vulnerable.

Trump is losing voters by the day.
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Reply #26 - 12/29/21 at 14:17:55
 
If the option is
Losing your ability to pay your bills
Or
Get the jab
Mmm,that is FORCING someone.

But, if someone feels the need to pretend that anything less than tackling someone and jamming the needle in them ISN'T forcing them, then parse those words and pretend that coercion is not force.
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 I guess the difference is physical force specifically.
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Reply #28 - 12/29/21 at 14:59:36
 
The difference is being honest. Force has more than one aspect. Putting someone in an untenable position in order to get them to do something is FORCING them. Pretending that Force is only physically attacking someone is dishonest.
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Reply #29 - 12/29/21 at 19:08:04
 

 I see it as an exaggeration in most, not all but most cases.  Most of the people I know that were "forced" to get vaccinated refused to fill out exemption paperwork because that paperwork is wrong too.  They chose to not use the "out" they were given.

 Like saying if I can't carry a gun I have my right to defend myself taken away.  If I can't have my gun I have to let someone assault me, I can't run, punch, kick, anything.  Without my gun I can no longer defend myself.  

 You know, instead of saying it's wrong to limit my ability to carry a gun.  So instead I exaggerate and say I no longer can defend myself.  A lot of "forced" to get the vaccine is people just refusing, and also refusing to take the exemption measures.

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