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12/02/21 at 08:10:05
 


“ Alec Baldwin says he "didn't pull the trigger" in fatal "Rust" movie set shooting “

"Alec Baldwin says he never pulled the trigger on a prop firearm that discharged on the "Rust" movie set."

"The trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger," Baldwin told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos.

"I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger, never."



And by the same type of people
who want to BAN a person from a School,
for being Acquitted !!!!
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Reply #1 - 12/02/21 at 08:25:16
 
The report is so distant from obvious reality that I'm wondering if someone didn't Edit his statement.
The direction the bullet went tells where it was pointed.
I've never seen a primer light off without the hammer hitting it.
Maybe a malfunction could cause the hammer to fall.
But said malfunction would have to have
Occurred just exactly then and no time prior or since.
I'm more inclined to call
Booschiit
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Reply #2 - 12/02/21 at 16:52:29
 
" This image released by ABC News shows actor-producer Alec Baldwin, left, during an interview with “Good Morning America” co-anchor George Stephanopoulos.
Alec Baldwin, who reportedly discharged a firearm that he was told was unloaded on the set of his movie,
said he never pulled the trigger.
Jeffrey Neira, ABC News via Associated Press "
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Reply #3 - 12/02/21 at 18:22:50
 

 If I recall correctly a F.lli Pietta long can discharge if it is cocked and impacted hard enough.  

 The debate was over a gun discharging when using it to pistol whip.  The real issue is if the heavy impact is activating the trigger mechanism, or if the hammer is somehow released without the trigger mechanism being activated.

 I don't know enough about the internals to say but I do know it takes substantial impact, which is not what Baldwin was doing.  They have the gun, they can test it for hammer failure I would hope.

 Personally I don't believe him.
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Reply #4 - 12/02/21 at 23:25:31
 
Personally I don't believe him.

No,, I'd say nobody does.

It's a gun
Not a Kodak.
You CAN aim a Kodak at someone
Point and shoot is  a Feature
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Reply #5 - 12/03/21 at 04:16:59
 
Is he so completely full of himself as Alec Baldwin the actor, not Alec Baldwin a human being, that he can’t imagine this happened? How can he say he never pulled the trigger? Does he not understand how that sounds? That’s what I mean about him being full of himself, he can’t see reality.
Is this some kind of bizarre set up for claiming mental illness or something? It wouldn’t surprise me.
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Reply #6 - 12/03/21 at 05:53:00
 
 Well given the nature of our brains I think it is plausible that he believes he did not pull the trigger.  He actually when you look at the whole thing and not just the selected portions people tell you is important, can see he was saying he pulled the hammer back and then let it go.

 During most of our active shooter Sim-drills in schools Participants will shoot a kid.  Not accidentally as in aiming at the shooter but a kid runs in the way, I mean stops, turns, lines up the target and pulls the trigger, and that target is a kid.

 Everyone has a degree of disbelief, however some will acknowledge this and work through the process to improve, and some will refuse saying they "would never" shoot a student or that they have been shooting guns for "too long" to make such a mistake etc.  Even with video footage, and marking cartridge impacts on the student, they still say it's not possible.

 Again, there's video and impact marks, and they still say it never happened.  So there is something in our brains that illogically deals with negligent discharge actions.


 I think with Baldwin he is either convincing himself that he never pulled the trigger, truly thinks it, or is being counseled to say this by legal or PR advisement.  Or he pulled the hammer back like he stated in the interview and somehow that sentence was left out of the discussion.
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Reply #7 - 12/03/21 at 06:06:23
 
 Oh yeah I forgot to post the actual words.  Not that this reduces accountability, it just applies context, and that assists in uncovering truth.

"the hammer as far back as I could without cocking the actual gun, I'm just showing. I go, ‘How 'bout that? Does that work? You see that? Do you see that?’ And then she goes, ‘Yeah, that's good.’ I let go of the hammer, bang! The gun goes off.”
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Reply #8 - 12/03/21 at 06:51:56
 
Un F ucking Believable !

Baldwin will get away Scot FREE !!!!!!

“Baldwin, who authorities have said was practicing with the gun when it discharged,
also said he bore no responsibility for the shooting
and felt no guilt about it
.”

“Actors shouldn’t be the “last line of defense,” he said,
noting that it was the responsibility of the armorer, or the crew’s weapons specialist,”

“He insisted that he bears no responsibility for the shooting,
and when asked whether he felt guilt, he said, “No.””

“I feel that someone is responsible for what happened, and I can’t say who that is,” he said.
“But I know it’s not me.”

And from a UL One-sided Source.

https://news.yahoo.com/5-takeaways-alec-baldwin-first-121747480.html
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Reply #9 - 12/03/21 at 08:21:57
 
 If a prosecuting attorney said he wasn't responsible I might say he was going to get away "Scot FREE !!!!!!" but this is the defendant claiming he did nothing wrong.

 I'm pretty sure that's been tried and has failed before.  Like millions of times.

 Who cares if Baldwin says it is somebody else's fault.  

 Of course the manipulation of facts doesn't work both ways right?  It's not like any source claimed Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger and left out the part where he explained why that was.  Accurate or not it is pertinent to the conversation when somebody says they pulled back a hammer and let it go.

 If I recall correctly modern replicas are still made without a transfer bar and this does decrease safety because it mitigates the trigger pull.  I don't know if this model had half-c ock options but I was always taught that is not a true safety method as accidental discharge can happen.  (Its pretty well known that 1911's half-c ock could discharge the weapon)

 None of this releases the responsibility for the general safe handling of a weapon.  Flagging is flagging.


 According to the Single Action Shooting Society and the NSSF:

carrying the gun with the hammer “down” (uncocked) on an empty chamber, but it should be noted that you should never carry a single-action revolver with the hammer down on a loaded chamber.

https://www.sassnet.com/
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Reply #10 - 12/03/21 at 17:17:19
 
Alec Baldwin says someone is responsible but not him!!!!
The final responsibility for firearm safety is the person handling the firearm
He did not check for live ammunition
He did not check the firearm was pointed in a safe direction
He allowed the hammer to fall on a live cartridge
A person died because of his negligence in not following basic firearm safety
But he is not responsible in any way !!!
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"A person died because of his negligence in not following basic firearm safety
But he is not responsible in any way !!!"


 Yeah there's going to be a lot of blame-game on this one.

 I think after talking to some people that are experienced with single action pistols that he could have discharged the weapon without pulling the trigger.

 Still stupid, but plausible.
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Reply #12 - 12/04/21 at 23:39:44
 
discharged the weapon without pulling the trigger.


After much
Gain of Function research he figured out how to make a pistol more deadly.
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Reply #13 - 12/05/21 at 05:08:09
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/04/21 at 23:39:44:
discharged the weapon without pulling the trigger.


After much
Gain of Function research he figured out how to make a pistol more deadly.


It’s early and the Mrs. is still sleeping so I didn’t laugh out loud but I sure chuckled out loud!
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Reply #14 - 12/05/21 at 06:06:28
 
Eegore wrote on 12/04/21 at 21:42:55:
" ... after talking to some people that are experienced with single action pistols that he could have discharged the weapon without pulling the trigger.... "


I have had a bit of experience with Single Action Firearms.
Shooting/Owning 'drilled through', (cartridge) real Colts and Colt clones.
And original/clone, cap & balls.

Please explain how a S/A can be fired with out pulling the trigger ?

Holding the trigger down,
 while pulling the hammer back,
    then letting the hammer fall.
 (as in 'Fanning' or 'Slip-hammering')

Is STILL, 'Pulling The Trigger !'





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