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Reply #15 - 12/05/21 at 08:05:15
 
MnSpring wrote on 12/05/21 at 06:06:28:
Please explain how a S/A can be fired with out pulling the trigger ?

Holding the trigger down,
 while pulling the hammer back,
    then letting the hammer fall.
 (as in 'Fanning' or 'Slip-hammering')

Is STILL, 'Pulling The Trigger !'

You're not as gun savvy as I thought.
Of course a single action revolver can go off without pulling the trigger.
That's why the firing pin block was invented.
Bumping the hammer or catching it on something can put enough pressure on the primer to fire.
Cowboys had the habit of keeping one chamber empty to prevent this.
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Reply #16 - 12/05/21 at 09:19:54
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/05/21 at 08:05:15:
" ... Of course a single action revolver can go off without pulling the trigger.
That's why the firing pin block was invented.
Bumping the hammer or catching it on something can put enough pressure on the primer to fire.
Cowboys had the habit of keeping one chamber empty to prevent this.


Excellent SPIN Grasshopper !

A S/A firing, When Broken,
 OR When Dropped,
    OR When Something Hits The Cocked Hammer, very hard!
'Could' fire without pulling the trigger.
   (Which was not even remotely the case here)

"...Cowboys had the habit of keeping one chamber empty to prevent this..."

Yes, yesterday, AND today !
And, Anybody that uses, hunts with, carries, a 'non transfer bar' S/A.

Tell us all what many called it, 100 (+/-) years ago.

(Ruger)"...The early models of the Blackhawk still operated the same way as the Colt, in that the hammer was half-cocked to load and unload and that the firearm was not safe to carry with all six chambers loaded due to the hammer resting upon the sixth chamber.[10] In 1973, in order to eliminate accidents occurring from the hammer jarring against a round loaded in the sixth chamber, Ruger introduced the New Model Blackhawk. The New Model Blackhawk did not require the hammer to be half-cocked for loading and unloading, and it employed a transfer bar mechanism which prevented the cartridge under the hammer from being fired without the trigger being pulled. The New Blackhawk was seen as limiting firearms accidents and legal liability. Ruger then began offering a retrofit program, offering free transfer bar conversions to earlier variants of the Blackhawk.  ..."

Tell us all, WHY, Ruger did that !

The point remains.
Baldwin PULLED THE TRIGGER !

Unless the firearm was damaged/broken
which NO ONE has ever stated.






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Reply #17 - 12/05/21 at 09:31:27
 
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Reply #18 - 12/05/21 at 09:46:18
 
Didn't someone say Alec Baldwins hand was injured in a previous movie?
Perhaps he had nerve damage?

Still not an excuse, but a probable cause if it was.

In MHO, he should be held mostly responsible and each one who handled the gun will be partially responsible.  And since he hired everyone, there will be additional counts of responsibility.
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Reply #19 - 12/05/21 at 14:55:26
 
Let's not go off half cocked over this...  Grin



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Reply #20 - 12/05/21 at 15:12:58
 

 Some S/A pistols can have the hammer pulled back and released enough to discharge the weapon without the trigger being compressed.

 This is why it is a well known process to not have 6 rounds in the cylinder.

 Not fanning.  Pulling back, the hammer not locking back and letting go.  1911's can do this.  Multiple pistols can do this.

 You want Baldwin to be lying so you must come up with reasons for the trigger to be pulled.  People who don't give a sh!t about what Baldwin says can see that it is plausible for a pistol of that style to discharge without the trigger being compressed.

 So people with no emotional investment into Baldwin will say they don't know.  People with emotional investment will create reasons for pistols to never fire without a trigger pull.
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Reply #21 - 12/05/21 at 16:21:08
 
Eegore wrote on 12/05/21 at 15:12:58:
 Some S/A pistols can have the hammer pulled back and released enough to discharge the weapon without the trigger being compressed. ...   "

On a NOT broken, Pietta, S/A.
Go for it !
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Reply #22 - 12/16/21 at 11:49:55
 
... Ripple of Hope Awards Ceremony in New York City.
organized by the Robert F. Kennedy Foundation ...

... The ceremony undoubtedly ran smoothly and efficiently by the master of ceremony icon Alec Baldwin. ...

... The Baldwin rehabilitation campaign launched two weeks ago with a George Stephanopoulos interview during which a tearful Mr. Baldwin essentially denied responsibility for what happened. He claimed, “I didn’t pull the trigger” of the loaded single-action revolver he was pointing while assuring the faithful that criminal charges were not in the works. The New York affair is a sign that Mr. Baldwin is being readmitted into the ranks of the acceptable with open arms. ...

... Mr. Baldwin had earlier hinted that the whole affair was the fault of various staff members. He called fellow actor George Clooney “not helpful” when he told reporters he assumed every gun he was ever handed on a movie set was loaded and that he had a personal responsibility to check it out himself. After pondering all this for a while, Mr. Baldwin has apparently decided the gun itself was responsible. ...


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/13/alec-baldwin-shooting-proves...

Yep, clearer every day.
he will walk,  because,
"the gun itself was responsible"
And the DFI, FDS, Socialist Sheepol believe it.



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Reply #23 - 12/16/21 at 12:12:11
 
 It also states that the pistol discharging from hammer pull alone is "beyond highly unlikely".


 
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Reply #24 - 12/16/21 at 15:43:32
 
Early reports stated That Gun had been being used for plinking.
No reported malfunctions.
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Reply #25 - 12/16/21 at 17:05:22
 
Those that believe/support/apologize for him.
Do this:
Take a non broken, Single Action, non transfer bar handgun.
Any One, Any Brand. Any Age.
Load (all six chambers), with a case, that is only primed.

DO NOT,
  point it at anything.
   You do not want to shoot.


Now c ock the hammer, and let it drop.
With OUT Touching the Trigger !
   (As the Lier said he did)
Do that, 10,000 times.
Then report here.
After that do it, 1,000,000 times,
Then report here.
Then do it, 100,000,000 times.

Then you can admit,
Baldwin is a Lying POS gun hater,
who will get a slap on the wrist,
because he kissed the right butts.

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Reply #26 - 12/16/21 at 18:53:56
 
 I don't think people that support Baldwin and think he is not at fault come here and would bother to report anything on this forum.

 I would want to see the analytics of the gun used before I start doing experiments on a non-malfunctioning gun.  This is one of those guilty until proven innocent type of situations I guess.
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Reply #27 - 12/16/21 at 20:02:05
 
Eegore wrote on 12/16/21 at 18:53:56:
"... guilty until proven innocent type of situations ..."

Like the,
IRS, States Game & Fish Dept's, and the ATF,
functions.
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Reply #28 - 12/16/21 at 20:42:33
 

Like the,
IRS, States Game & Fish Dept's, and the ATF,
functions.


 Like a lot of things I imagine.  I just don't care to replicate the actions I disagree with.  "The IRS does it!" isn't exactly the justification I'd like to use for my actions.
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Reply #29 - 01/18/22 at 08:02:43
 
How long has it taken,
for  Baldwin  to finally turned over his phone ?????
   (after a court order for evidence)

Was it the SPIN of, "The actor added that he and his attorney were following a process required when one state requests information or evidence from a subject who lives in another state. "It's a process that takes time. ..."

Or was it finding someone to,
'wipe' the phone of anything that could possibly be incriminating ?

(Wait, did he call Hillery, and ask her who ?)




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