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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #15 - 11/24/21 at 08:00:40

Eegore wrote on 11/24/21 at 05:27:48:

" ... the difference between a Like button and a firearm is that I can't go kill 30 people in 30 seconds with one ... "

Killing 30 people, in 30 seconds, with a firearm would be very difficult.
Doing that, would take a very skilled shooter.

Killing 30 people in 30 seconds,
can be accomplished in far less than 30 seconds,
with far, Far, FAR less skill,
by using a car running into a crowd,
by using a explosive,
by selling illegal, (poorly made), drugs,
by using a, ‘like’ button, when someone says:
'I want to kill myself/or someone else'
(Facebook Alone has 2.80 billion, (+/-), monthly active users.
A tiney tiny fraction of people posting, ‘like’, to the statement above.
could have the affect that you say)

“…Like button is self-inflicted harm and therefore more controllable …”
“…not using the media that contains it….”
It must be clear that,
is beyond the ability of some people to do that.
The people that are irresponsible in using the, ‘like’ button, need to be controlled.
It is clear it must be BANNED,
to make all the people SAFE.

After all, look at all those things that are, required, to
‘make people safe’.
(Because, some people, do not have the ability to make themselves safe)
Why is not, ‘banning the, ‘like’ button one of them ?

Why is not the person/company,
being sued because they are
responsible for the deaths,
occurred by use of the, ‘like’ button ?

Eegore wrote on 11/22/21 at 07:40:02:
" ...This reminds me of hearing how the "Like" button on social media was invented as this great way to make interacting efficient and make a more positive experience for users. Go Like things out there, help people feel good..." "... It turned into from what I have researched, one of the common motivators for suicide and murder among youth..."

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #16 - 11/24/21 at 09:11:14

"by using a, ‘like’ button, when someone says:
'I want to kill myself/or someone else'
(Facebook Alone has 2.80 billion, (+/-), monthly active users.
A tiney tiny fraction of people posting, ‘like’, to the statement above.
could have the affect that you say)"

I think the difference is you are comparing a collective action to an individuals. It is far less probable that I can post 30 likes in 10 minutes and kill 30 people than I could, even with little skill, kill 30 people in 10 minutes with a gun. I can kill more people much faster with a gun by myself than I could posting "likes".

Interchange skill levels and murder per minute timeframes as much as you want. The difference is that one person can do more damage with a gun in a shorter period of time than they can posting "Likes". It typically takes thousands of Likes to kill one person over time.

Also the Like button is less scary and used by more people. If I walk down a store isle with a cellphone "liking" every post in the world it will garner much less attention than if I walk with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder.

As for education, my point to this, it is far easier to educate children to appropriately respond to the Like button than it is to educate children to appropriately use the Like button. Trillions and trillions of data points indicate this.

"Why is not the person/company,
being sued because they are
responsible for the deaths,
occurred by use of the, ‘like’ button ?"

They have been.

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #17 - 11/24/21 at 12:17:47

Eegore wrote on 11/24/21 at 09:11:14:

[i]"by using a, ‘like’ button, when someone says:
'I want to kill myself/or someone else'
(Facebook Alone has 2.80 billion, (+/-), monthly active users.
A tiney tiny fraction of people posting, ‘like’, to the statement above.
could have the affect that you say)"
I think the difference is you are comparing a collective action to an individuals. It is far less probable that I can post 30 likes in 10 minutes and kill 30 people than I could, even with little skill, kill 30 people in 10 minutes with a gun. I can kill more people much faster with a gun by myself than I could posting "likes". Interchange skill levels and murder per minute timeframes as much as you want. The difference is that one person can do more damage with a gun in a shorter period of time than they can posting "Likes". It typically takes thousands of Likes to kill one person over time.
Also the Like button is less scary and used by more people. If I walk down a store isle with a cellphone "liking" every post in the world it will garner much less attention than if I walk with an AR-15 slung over my shoulder.
As for education, my point to this, it is far easier to educate children to appropriately respond to the Like button than it is to educate children to appropriately use the Like button. Trillions and trillions of data points indicate this.

"Why is not the person/company,
being sued because they are
responsible for the deaths,
occurred by use of the, ‘like’ button ?"

They have been.

Didn't know that.
Why don't the very vast majority of people,
know that ?

Could it possibly be that it is not, 'reported' ?
If so, why ?

Another question,
what is the appropriate way to educate children ?
If they saw, a person walking through a Costco with a gun in a holster ?'
(where/when it is legal to do so)
1. Run, Scream, Yell, be very scared, Point, call that person names, etc, etc, etc ?

2. Ignore it, and just go about your business ?

3. Tell that person; 'Thank You' ?

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" ... my point to this, it is far easier to educate children to appropriately respond ... "

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #18 - 11/24/21 at 16:05:42

"Didn't know that.
Why don't the very vast majority of people,
know that ?"

I don't know what the vast majority of people know, but pretty much everyone I interact with is aware FB, Twitter, Instagram etc. etc. etc. have been sued.

Could it possibly be that it is not, 'reported' ?
If so, why ?

It's been reported by multiple outlets.

"Another question,
what is the appropriate way to educate children ?
If they saw, a person walking through a Costco with a gun in a holster ?'"

If those children are only allowed to respond by one of the three choices you provide and no other option I would recommend they ignore it.

To be specific, when I am asked the "way" to educate I would focus on methods and not specific responses. As in what is the ideal steps to educate children how to assess risk and understand gun laws in their immediate area and nationally. For instance at what age should children be educated that people can and will harm them and that the overwhelming majority of harm will come from people they are related to or interact with frequently?

At that point they can start developing standards to assess how dangerous a stranger is, which is the least likely way they will ever be harmed by another person.

What is the best way to educate children about their subjection to online hostility, by choice, and comparative self-image?

How do we get them to understand that the Like button is harmful. So then they can decide how best to respond to it.

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #19 - 11/24/21 at 16:39:53

Eegore wrote on 11/24/21 at 16:05:42:

"... but pretty much everyone I interact with is aware FB, Twitter, Instagram etc. etc. etc. have been sued. ..."

Great !
Please send me a couple of links,
where FB and like have been sued,
for people pressing the, 'like' button !

I am aware of the, 'gold digging', lawsuits.

Not aware of the ones which say; (to the like)
Suing FB for damages because a person pressed the, 'like' button'.

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #20 - 11/24/21 at 20:19:40

"Great !
Please send me a couple of links,
where FB and like have been sued,
for people pressing the, 'like' button !"

I obviously misunderstood your previous statement. Nobody has sued FB specifically because a Like button was pressed. They have sued, unsuccessfully, for damages incurred due to personal harm and Like button specific suits have been based off of reasons other than the specific pressing of that button.

The most current iteration of the lawsuit is the most likely to actually go to court and is again based on personal damages, but not specific to a person pressing the Like button in exclusivity. The Like button is a factor within the entirety of the suit.

What I was referring to is the idea that FB has been sued, and that no media coverage was done. FB has been sued, and media outlets have covered it.

What is the best way to educate children about their subjection to online hostility, by choice, and comparative self-image?

How do we get them to understand that the Like button is harmful. So then they can decide how best to respond to it.
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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #21 - 11/26/21 at 21:04:26

Eegore wrote on 11/24/21 at 20:19:40:

"... Nobody has sued FB specifically because a Like button was pressed. ... "

I believe, Ray Charles could have seen exactly what was being talked about.

"... What is the best way to educate children ..."

One does NOT, ‘teach’ children.

That little Johnny can put on a dress, go into a Girls bathroom, and RAPE someone.

That, EVERYBODY WINS, at a game or competition.

That everybody, needs a, hug/like/pat on the back.

That 10 year olds, can decide to be called a ‘he/she/it’, regardless of their born gender.

That it is perfectly OK to kill a unborn baby at anytime and for any reason.

That anything you do, (when someone else considers it as bad), is SOMEONE ELSES FAULT.
Or, some OTHER things, fault (especially if it is something you are TOLD to dislike)

That the color of skin/etc should depend on getting something.

One, should, ’teach’ children.

That a older male, being friends with a young girl, is not automatically bad.
Yet when Biden, grabs little girls, it IS, a form of pedophileia.

That it is a Parents JOB, to teach their children about ethics/responsibility.
It is a school teachers responsibility to help/encourage,
and, ’TEACH’, how to learn,
NOT, ’TEACH’ a particular view on a particular subject.

That it is necessary to know what 2+2 is, because not everybody has a small computer, and sometimes people do not have them at hand.

Just a start, of what has been lost.
Because of the, 'Dumbing Down'.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8393	Re: Perfect storm? Reply #22 - 11/27/21 at 21:53:41 "That it is a Parents JOB, to teach their children about ethics/responsibility." What is the best way -for parents- to educate children about their subjection to online hostility, by choice, and comparative self-image?
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Reply #23 - 11/28/21 at 06:11:47

Eegore wrote on 11/27/21 at 21:53:41:

What is the best way -for parents- to educate children about their subjection to online hostility, by choice, and comparative self-image?

Do you really not understand the concept of, Ethics?

Perhaps, believing/practicing a religion,
where one of the fundamentals of most Religions is,
‘Try every day to be perfect,
knowing you can never be perfect’

A concept missing from the,
Religion,
of not believing in any Religion.

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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #24 - 11/28/21 at 07:59:28

MnSpring wrote on 11/28/21 at 06:11:47:

Perhaps, believing/practicing a religion,
where one of the fundamentals of most Religions is,
‘Try every day to be perfect,
knowing you can never be perfect’

A concept missing from the,
Religion,
of not believing in any Religion.

The term "c0ck holster" comes to mind.

So glad you have Jesus to advise you.

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Reply #25 - 11/28/21 at 14:16:16

Do you really not understand the concept of, Ethics?

Perhaps, believing/practicing a religion,
where one of the fundamentals of most Religions is,
‘Try every day to be perfect,
knowing you can never be perfect’

A concept missing from the,
Religion,
of not believing in any Religion.

So the best way to educate students how to respond to digital aggression and depression is to have a religion?

I see a ton of depressed and criminal people who were raised with religion. I would start with boundaries, and more off-the phone activities.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13170 Gender:	Re: Perfect storm? Reply #27 - 11/28/21 at 17:41:12 Just like this thread, a black nationalist who hates white people because he’s been programmed that way, murders 6 and it’s completely ignored now.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Perfect storm? Reply #28 - 11/28/21 at 18:29:44 A CAR crashed into people. Kyle Racist,forget about him being attacked. This guy ran down white people. Had online stuff about hating white people His CAR did it Aaand ,memory hole. Talk about Shouldn't have Been There! He shouldn't have been out of jail.
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Re: Perfect storm?
Reply #29 - 11/29/21 at 08:10:41

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/28/21 at 18:29:44:

A CAR crashed into people.

A Yep, the UL, FDS, DFI Socialists,
'Talked/Reported' more,
about a person who defended himself, saying he should not have done so.
Two people, not even from the US, saying they are victims of racism.
A con artist, saying; could be/maybe/possibly/don't know/etc/etc/etc.
A person driving his car into a crowd, killing ONE person,
(who got a Life + 400 years sentence)
And On and On and On !

Yet a big broom is used for a person,
who should have NEVER been out of jail in the first place.
Who was VERY WELL KNOWN, as a 'white' hater.
BEFORE the event, NOT After.

Let's see what that sentence is ?

Wait, he is a UL, DFI, FDS, White Hating, Socialist,
so he will be treated with Kidd Gloves.,

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