There is something of a bottom line here and it’s seems to be some will accept changing their preferred lifestyle and sense of safety, others object and demand legislative actions, others decide to pick and choose when to step in if unfortunately put in that spot.

It all comes down to the situation at the moment and honestly your mood at the time. It’s impossible to say what you will or will not do when confronted in a criminal situation. I honestly don’t know. I’d like to think I would proceed as I have done a couple of times in the past and step in to protect the week, but I’ve never been faced with overwhelming odds. I saw another BLM protest last night in Minneapolis were a bunch of people piled onto a car and the person was trying to drive slowly away. I’m not sure I would be that patient but who knows. If my granddaughter were in the car and she was scared , I would run over anybody to get her out of that situation. Again, it’s hard to say what anyone will or will not do. It’s always different in real life.

Which by the way is why Rittenhouse was found not guilty. The videos didn’t lie. It’s also why those three guys in Atlanta were convicted. The video didn’t lie.

1973,I was in Biloxi, the news was full of reports of car jackings in Louisiana. It was almost daily. Some were killed, caught up in the seatbelt, dragged to death..

Finally the Guvnah went on TV. He said
If you are afraid you might be car jacked and you want a gun,get a gun.
The next week was full of reports of Attempted car jackings. Several thugs were treated to a belly full of lead. They flopped and screamed and bled in the street.
It took a coupla weeks before they decided it wasn't such a fun game.
Car jackings were rarely in the news after that.

Make the game cost THEM to play.

Knock off the bullshit. Gangs, ripping through a store, breaking things and emptying out your store, the store that FEEDS Your family and the families of your employees is NOT THE SAME as someone stealing pencil.

Shoot them in the FACE. This crap would come to a halt.



If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim.

Jeff Cooper

When the
Property Crime
Bankrupts a member of society, what then?
Ooopsies, too bad? That is the price of living in a big city? Who pays the bills? The property may be leased.. Who makes the payments? Shrug at
It's only Stuff,, you can't stop them. You only worked all your life, only to watch thugs take it away.

I think Walgreens has closed six stores in California. Pharmacists out of work. Stockers, cashiers, out of a job. Customers needing a new pharmacy. People who lived close, maybe don't have a car, now how do they get what they had relied on the neighborhood Walgreens for?

Yeah,, someone is going to be a
Looter Shooter.
Being pushovers means it won't stop.

If the law can't or won't
The Victims must
Or It Will Not Stop.

Or maybe I'm not seeing right.
Maybe it's not supposed to stop..
I guess it's not. Because it's illegal to stop illegal activity.

People rarely come into a jewelry store or a high end shop with crowbars, threatening people and breaking nuts
To steal your identity.

The Problem is
It's illegal to kill thugs.

And if enough of them got dead or forever crippled, then the
Allure would fade,except for the hardest of the hard cases.
Never going to Stop crime, but when there are no consequences ,cops can't or won't do anything, the chosen victims are the last defense for an orderly society.

Money is property.
Walk into a bank and wave a gun around and see how it goes.
On duty, gun carrying cops hanging out in banks here is a common thing.

Fella could get shot by a guy protecting
Property..

I know you are Correct about the law.
I'm saying it's screwed up.
I say a store that is how a man makes his living and provides for his family is worth killing over. Else he winds up under a bridge. We have the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and we weren't intended to be made impotent by statute.

The
REEE! You value your Stuff over someone else's LIFE???

Well,, that piece of nuts values my stuff over his life.

Shoot them in the face!

I walked into a store, famous for kit furniture, IKEA I think. The place was designed to make you walk a path to the other side. I didn't like it, I went back, and was told I couldn't get out the door I came in. I had to walk through that store the way they wanted me to. I ,once I figured out what was going on ,didn't look at anything to buy. I just wanted OUT. Never again will I go back in a store like that.
I suppose cages would work. A line of them at the grocery store! You go in get searched, prove you have the money to cover your order, and if they like you, you can do your own shopping. If not you have to give them your list and let them bring you the bent cans.

Yeah,, designing the stores to make crime nearly impossible is how to live.
Everyone wants to live in a society where there is Zero trust and contact through a speaker system ,because a 4" hole in the glass might spread the Rona. SSAAAFETY bars and bulletproof barriers, like criminals being allowed in the cafeteria. Uhh,no,, it's worse than convict lunch time.

I want a comfortable, open society. Everyone does. That is why it's what we built. We live openly and comfortably, until hooligans screw up our day.
Then

Shoot them in the face!

"People rarely come into a jewelry store or a high end shop with crowbars, threatening people and breaking nuts
To steal your identity."

 Again you are mixing threatening humans with taking property.  Property is not Humans.  The proposal is to use deadly force to protect "property" and only property with the exclusion of all other known things.


"Money is property.
Walk into a bank and wave a gun around and see how it goes.
On duty, gun carrying cops hanging out in banks here is a common thing."

 Show me a non-licensed security bank employee that is instructed to kill people taking that money.  They are very specifically taught to give the money over.

 You are comparing law enforcement to regular citizens.  It is expected law enforcement intervene if somebody "waves a gun around" anywhere at anytime, not just banks.  It's like saying there's a fire and watch the fire department come put their lives on the line to stop it.  Yeah I'd expect that.
 

 
Well,, that piece of nuts values my stuff over his life.

Shoot them in the face!


 The problem comes when people start killing each other over pencils, online identities, etc.  We can't assume only reasonable people will use this privilege.  Property is property, a guy just took a reflector from the post on the corner of my property.  Should I shoot him in the face?  Do I have to do it at the time, or can I plan it out and go do it later?  What's the statute of limitations for using deadly force to protect inanimate objects?
 

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/02/21 at 23:34:16:


Thank you JOG for acknowledging that. Most wouldn’t, you did. Thanks.

Eegore wrote on 12/02/21 at 18:02:48:


So, because someone might take unjustified action, action must be illegal.