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Reply #45 - 10/20/21 at 23:14:43
 
I found the level exactly at the factory spec, 75mm.  I wanted to see what would happen if I lowered the level, so I removed oil until the level was 100mm.  Took it for a torture test.  To me, it seemed better.  The front end didn’t seem to kick up as much on the abrupt stuff.  The zip tie on the front fork now indicated that the forks were using about 1/8” more travel.  The forks were stroking 4” or 79% of available travel.  It seemed better???

Howzabout lowering the oil level some more.  I removed another 20mm of oil, so now the level was at 120mm.  The fork action seemed really smooth.  The zip tie showed it was now using 4.22” of available travel (83%).  It seemed better, but still harsh.
 
I decided to try a lighter weight oil.  Belray 10W seemed prudent. First, I ran 30 ml of the stock oil through my burette.  It took about 25 seconds.  Then the Belray 10W.  It took about 19 seconds.  OK.  The Belray is thinner.

I made an oil removal tool from a piece of brake tubing.  Thirty inches of 3/16” tubing was just right.  Use a tubing cutter to cut off one of the flares.
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Reply #46 - 10/20/21 at 23:15:29
 
Then attach a piece of nylon hose to the brake tubing.  Insert the tubing into the fork and find the center of the dampening rod.  The brake tubing must drop down through the center of the dampening rod.  Then use the MightyVac to suck out the oil.  Obviously not a perfect drain job but it will do.
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Reply #47 - 10/20/21 at 23:16:30
 
Drained and filled both forks to 120mm with the Belray 10W fork oil.  To me, it felt better but what do I know.  It seemed smoother, more compliant, but still harsh.  Didn’t seem to kick up as much in the front.  The zip tie showed it was now using 4.53” of travel (89%).  Is this a good thing, using almost 90% of the travel????

The new rear shocks and front springs arrived.  I thought I had the front end working pretty good.  Time to try out some new boingers on the rear.

First order of business was to enlarge the ½” bushings to 14mm.  I drilled them out with a 17/32” drill and then used an expandable reamer to enlarge each bushing to 14mm.
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Reply #48 - 10/20/21 at 23:17:00
 
The bushings fit just right.
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Reply #49 - 10/20/21 at 23:17:29
 
I already knew I could expect interference problems from the lower belt guard.  I lobbed off ¼” from the front edge of the guard.
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Reply #50 - 10/20/21 at 23:18:03
 
And later discovered that the mounting area of the guard hits the pulley cover.  So, I had to relieve a small section (shown here circled in red).  Hiko, did you have any trouble in this area?  You might wanna check it.  Only presents a problem when the rear wheel is off the ground.
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Reply #51 - 10/20/21 at 23:18:37
 
I did not touch the belt adjustment.  It’s loose when the rear wheel is off the ground but it’s still gonna have to swing through the tight part of the arc.  Doesn’t make sense to try and adjust it.  

Versy, thanks for the heads up on the bolt on the shifter housing.  I trimmed it back just to be sure that there’s no contact with the belt.
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Reply #52 - 10/20/21 at 23:19:22
 
With the 11.5” shocks installed, the fender clearance didn’t look too bad.
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Reply #53 - 10/20/21 at 23:20:02
 
It didn’t lean over too far when on the kickstand.
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Reply #54 - 10/20/21 at 23:20:46
 
The shocks looked nice.  They suited the cruiser style.
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Reply #55 - 10/20/21 at 23:22:21
 
Time to set the sag.  I measured the rear wheel travel at 3.56” (90mm).  So, I gained about .87” travel (22mm).   Looks like the target race sag will be 27mm and target free sag will be 7mm.  The closest I could get to those target sags was with the preload set to the stiffest setting (#5).  Uh oh!  Looks like those 90/130 springs might be a little soft.

Did I screw this up?  I weighed myself again.  Yep, 185 lbs.  Throw on the riding gear and I come in at 194 lbs.  Oh well, why not try it.

One nice feature on these 412s is there’s a slot in the spring retainer.  Makes it easy to check how much the shock travels.  Just shove a chopstick down the opening and push the bumper stop all the way down to the shock body.  Ride it around and you can see how much the shock traveled.  The bumper fits real tight on the shaft so it will stay at the highest point it reaches.
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Reply #56 - 10/20/21 at 23:23:14
 
Here you can see where the bumper starts out.  After you ride it over an obstacle it will remain at the highest point it got pushed up the shaft.
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Reply #57 - 10/20/21 at 23:25:01
 
I did all sorts of tests.  The #5 preload setting was best, and the best wasn’t good.  It bottoms out, and that hurts.  I ordered a set of 115/155 springs.  These 90/130s are too soft.
 
I have come to a conclusion.  This contraption is called a shock absorber.  It’s supposed to “absorb shock”.  Once it goes on the bumper, it no longer absorbs shock, it transfers shock.  Then the rider (you) becomes the shock absorber.  Ouch!

I think the same holds true for the forks.  After some pondering, I’m thinkin that the forks go on their bumper (which is hydraulic) at around 85% of total travel, give or take a little.  Once the fork tube starts to overlap the compression dampening holes in the dampening rod, oil flow starts slowing down BIG TIME.  And then the tube starts to engage the “oil lock” (Pc 11).  Man, that’s gotta stop it dead.  When you stroke the forks by hand you can feel all that start to happen about the last one-half to three-quarter inch of the stroke.  It’s essentially a hard stop or “bumper”.  I’m thinkin you don’t want those forks or shocks hitting the bumpers on a routine basis.  It’s a revelation, an epiphany.  Why didn’t I think of this sooner???

DragBikeMike’s New Cardinal Rule of Suspension: You want it on the springs at all times; you never want it on the bumpers.

Do I have that right???
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Reply #58 - 10/20/21 at 23:25:35
 
Gotta wait for the 115/155 shock springs.  Back to the forks.  I threw in the Progressive 11-1153 springs.  Left the 10W as-is but adjusted the level down to 180mm.  Progressive’s instruction sheet says never run the springs with an oil level above 150mm. The wire is way thicker and there are lots more coils.  All that spring material takes up space.  The oil level will rise a lot more when you drop the springs in.  I wanted to be safe, so I took a chance and set it at 180 mm.  Just look at the difference between these springs.  Guess which spring is the stocker.
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Reply #59 - 10/20/21 at 23:26:18
 
After fiddling around a bit with sag, I ended up with 77mm spacers.  I tried 95mm spacers but there wasn’t enough sag.  Electrical conduit works great for these spacers.   The spring kit comes with a chunk of plastic pipe, but I opted for the metal stuff.
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