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09/03/21 at 01:12:07
 
https://basedunderground.com/2021/09/03/ultra-vaxxed-booster-heavy-israel-now-ha
s-more-covid-infections-per-capita-than-any-country-in-the-world/

Fauci says
Yeah, gonna need three shots
You don't need the booster
If you don't take the first one
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Reply #1 - 09/03/21 at 05:42:28
 
  For those of us that are not immune to the virus asymptomatic stages they might want to have an edge.  I am not aware of anyone saying the vaccine was a cure, but people will act like it is.

 It's one thing to select a portion of the evidence and create an article around one doctor's assessment of clinical evidence, and using all available clinical evidence.  

Also pretending the phrase: "They achieved over 80% vaccination rate for eligible results." means all of Isreal is a good manipulation strategy.  That doesn't mean 80% of the population.

 87% of cases are over age 60 have comorbidities and carry Delta - but lets leave that part out for some reason.  The uptick in hospitalizations is concerning, however we need to compare to the initial rise and infection to fatality ratio.

Once we know how many of these current hospitalizations result in death we can assess an efficacy rate against death.  So we have multiple potential outcomes:  

Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations and death.
Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations and death for a specific demographic.

Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations but not death.
Pfizer reduces infection rates and hospitalizations but not death for a specific demographic.

Pfizer reduces infection rates and death but not hospitalizations.
Pfizer reduces infection rates and death but not hospitalizations for a specific demographic.

Etc. etc.

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and...

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Reply #2 - 09/03/21 at 09:01:05
 
I just had to go through this after reading.
Look at the choice of words...

"vaccine-nannies, darling of the vaccine world, perpetual boosters, Jewish state, coaxing, globalist elites, cabal of nefarious groups and individuals, forcing folks into dependency, always part of the plan, last bit of “success”.
This is what the globalists wanted. Biden-Harris regime, the Antichrist or a minion pulling the strings from the shadows."


I could go on,..
JoG,.. you asked why some people have vaccine hesitancy?
It's people like this.

Do you want to side with the cabal of nefarious global elites? No?
Then don't vax...
Try horse de-worming medicine.
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Reply #3 - 09/03/21 at 09:12:27
 
C'mon man, even Biden was downing the shot. Because Trump.
Did your selective memory kick in? You DON'T remember the negative response to The Trump shot? Who do you think got it fired up?

I Don't wonder where Vaccine hesitancy comes from.
I'm absolutely not taking it.

Don't remember it being called a cure?
Technically, that is correct.


Safe and effective

Even the vaers site shows a Yuge uptick.
Now Fraudci says
Looks like you're going to need three shots..


How is it considered
Safe?
Who is unaware of the damage to people?
The DEAD ones?

Effective?
How can anyone say that?

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Reply #4 - 09/03/21 at 09:53:37
 
"How is it considered
Safe?
"

 An algorithm.  I am no longer working in the response Command Center in CO and can't just pull up the numbers, but all medications have side-effects.  At a certain point the level of treatment exceeds the level of side-effects and that becomes safe.

 Like driving.  Is it safe?  Can you possibly control every variable and make it "safe"?  

 
"Who is unaware of the damage to people?
The DEAD ones?"


 The fatality rate connected to vaccinations is extremely low.  Millions and millions of people have taken it.  In the US my last verified number, less than a month ago was 337 million doses with a fatality ratio of 0.0018%.

 You think 0.0018% is too much, people better stop bowling because 0.0021% of bowlers in the US die at the Alley.

 Of course you also think Texans "aren't dying" however the families of the DEAD would disagree.  So who is actually unaware of the damage and the DEAD in this case?

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1615217349/17#17


"Effective?
How can anyone say that?"


 Reduced infection rates and hospitalizations in highly vaccinated areas.  Refusing to look at that evidence doesn't make it disappear for everyone else.  

 Now the rates will change, for sure, and we may find that the vaccine overall efficacy is lower than initial distribution projected.


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Reply #5 - 09/03/21 at 10:31:22
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/03/21 at 09:12:27:
C'mon man, even Biden was downing the shot.

The majority of anti-vaxxers are Trump supporters.
It was Fox News that repeatedly promoted Horse worming medicine.
It was Trump rally's that went mostly unmasked.
It is Conservative talk hosts that are dropping like flies to Covid.

Go ahead,.. become a statistic.
Republican voter roles are dropping fast enough without this, but it sure won't help Trump get re-elected.
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Reply #6 - 09/03/21 at 12:35:18
 
That is UNPOSSIBLE!
Everyone Knows Trump supporters Think what HE tells them to Think and they Bah GAWD Do what he SAYS Do and He is and has been a Jab supporter!
So, either We Don't follow Trump or or what?

Your head exploded yet?

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Reply #7 - 09/03/21 at 12:58:53
 
Trump's not so much your leader as your puppet.
He follows the compass of the looney nationalist fringe.
He'll make a great Captain for 2024, leading you off edge of the Earth.
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Reply #8 - 09/03/21 at 18:34:51
 
Nice lefty dodge..

You Know I handed you yerass..
My butthurtedness cream is still on sale.
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Reply #9 - 09/04/21 at 03:23:36
 
I got the vaccine. When the booster becomes available I will wait for a while and see what happens but then I will probably take it. I understand math very well, it’s part of my job. I understand risk. Missouri does not have a helmet law requirement anymore but I always wear a helmet. (Honestly, my wife says I have a bit of a fetish because I have a bunch of them! But I digress.)

The problem with the vaccine was on full display with the comments made by our fair and balanced moderator. Covid and the vaccine has been turned into a political weapon. Remember our POC VP said she would not take Trump’s vaccine. When you attack your team leader people rally around them, even to their detriment. So the people who aren’t getting vaccines, there’s a large portion of them out of a sense of loyalty to their team’s leader. My brothers are like that. but And honestly, the left is to blame for this. You turned Covid into a tool to get Trump out of office so you’re going to have to live with yet another consequence.

For me, I see no reason not to take the vaccine. I’m not in a high-risk category by any means but I’m not zero. But I don’t complain about anybody who chooses not to.
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Reply #10 - 09/04/21 at 09:02:03
 
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For me, I see no reason not to take the vaccine. I’m not in a high-risk category by any means but I’m not zero. But I don’t complain about anybody who chooses not to.


Agree. I got the J&J shot back in May. Hasn't done me  any harm and I'm not expecting it to. I've learned enough since May to be convinced that it isn't all that likely to do me any good either. I'm old enough to be considered in the at risk category but I'm pretty healthy and fit.

So I'm done. No booster. No masks. NADA. No advice from anyone who claims to be an "expert" will be followed. That goes double if the "expert" works for any government in any capacity. The needle on my bulls*it meter hit the stop so hard that it snapped right off quite a while ago.

Anybody claims to be lookin' out for my best best interests gonna get a suspicious look and a friendly  "F**k off!" Cool
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Reply #11 - 09/04/21 at 09:40:35
 
“… It's one thing to select a portion of the evidence
and create an article around one doctor's assessment of clinical evidence …”

Sorta true, yet that statement is missing information.

One or a small amount of doctors,
who are totally independent,
analyze information/trends/results,
and come to a conclusion.

A large group of doctors,
who’s income/livelihood is, DEPENDENT,
on the government,
will come to the conclusion,
they are TOLD to come to.
Then write dissertations, using double and triple negatives,
a lot of, ’perhaps/could be/possible’, words.
And set after set of raw numbers, (NO percentage),
which works well with the last 30 years of, ‘Dumbing Down’ the schools.

“…Reduced infection rates and hospitalizations in highly vaccinated areas…”

Was not Israeli highly vaccinated ?
Did not Israeli have a severe, ‘lock-down’ ?
Did not Israeli have a required vaccine ‘passport’ to enter certain buildings ?

“…  Refusing to look at that evidence
   doesn't make it disappear for everyone else …”


Yes it does.
When Evidence is provided by one political party,
it, ‘disappears’ for the other political party.

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Was not Israeli highly vaccinated ?

Yes.  Was not the information I provided indicating a "reduced" and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rate?  


Did not Israeli have a severe, ‘lock-down’ ?

 Yes.  And there were reduced, and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rates and hospitalizations.

Did not Israeli have a required vaccine ‘passport’ to enter certain buildings ?

 Yes.  And there were reduced, and only the word reduced with the exemption of all other words - reduced infection rates and hospitalizations.

 Not agreeing with those measures does not change the outcome.


Yes it does.
When Evidence is provided by one political party,
it, ‘disappears’ for the other political party.

 
 People refusing to look at the evidence provided here does not change that that evidence exists here.  Your political affiliation will not alter whether you can look at that information or not.
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Reply #13 - 09/04/21 at 23:05:36
 
Reduced?

Looks like rampant
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Reduced?

Looks like rampant



 So you looked at that information I provided and you don't see a reduction in infections and hospitalizations after vaccines were implemented?  How did you come to that conclusion?

 Or are you only looking at the information in the article you provided and ignoring that it mixes overall population with only those vaccinated?

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