I didn't see the guy waving. I saw that a coupla days ago, but, to be fair, on the Kindle the whole Man was not big and clear enough to distinguish one leg from the other.. But his legs were not moving,, he was hanging quite a bit below the runner. Around twelve, maybe fifteen feet.

I couldn't see any movement.

Not all the weapons belonged to Afghanistan.
Not all were ours.
Now they are all in possession of the Taliban.

The phone call Biden made to the former president of Afghanistan?
Have you looked into that?
Sounds like everyone knew the Taliban would have control very quickly.

If you're leaving, get the Americans and allies out first.
If that requires more troops, do that.
But pulling troops without first getting the Soon to Be hostages out?

No excuse.
Don't even bother with
But Trump..

Everything Trump had working well got undone in short order.
And the deal Trump had working was conditional.
You guys screw up and we will bomb you into the stone age diplomacy..

The whole world is laughing at the weakness of America today.
Except for our allies, who got THEIR people out..

It's an embarrassment, it's so completely unthinkable..
Yeah Biden is going to get us back to a place of respect on the world stage.

Phhhht.
Hate Trump all you want,, none of this crap would have happened if he was in office.

This post is completely open. It's NOT aimed at E,,it's for everyone.. If you think it's Aimed at you, it is.
If it's something you would have said, you're welcome. Now you don't have to type it.

They got a guy that can fly one...
It won't last one oil change.

Eegore wrote on 09/02/21 at 14:19:58:


Well, that turned out to be a brilliant idea.

Seeing as how we just gave them an Air Force starter kit.

There is no justification for pulling out before they got innocents out.
That is not okay.
Total fail for Biden

I think it's becoming clear to anyone paying attention that the "right people" haven't been in charge of this - or much of anything else, for that matter, - for a good long while.


 I agree.  The most successful withdrawal efforts were privately orchestrated by Contractors and ex-SF operators.  This is how I would have done it to begin with but no POTUS, not even Trump would go that route because politics are still part of the game.

 Looking at what Trump brought to the table I don't know how anyone, that looks, assesses a considerably different outcome.

"There is no personal accountability, or personal consequences, for even the most extreme screw ups at the top level of our government."

 I agree.


"Trump huh ?"


 Well that's the ongoing comparison.  Trump would have done better versus Trump would have done worse.  Truth is nobody can say, since this type of withdrawal process is unprecedented and nobody is going to say they would have done a worse job than Biden, then present evidence to support it.  If you like Trump he would have done this better, if you don't he would have done it worse, but unless we are doing some quantum theorizing we simply can't say.

 I think you have a good assessment that 2 decades of decision making led to this and no one Administration would be able to get us out reliably and completely safe in the timeframes that both Trump and Biden proposed.  

 If I were to break it down as simple as possible we needed more diverse organizations (contractors) and more time, not more bombs.

Absolutely NOT ONE FUKKING THING Trump had working
Was kept in place.


 This is fundamentally untrue.  A number of staging parameters, physical inventories, staff placement and tangibles accountability remained unchanged.  

 Trump actually didn't get much done from his projected initiatives from what I can tell.  maybe you can outline what Trump changed and how it worked.  From my assessment the "working" stuff came from the ground, not from talking.