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And your leader is where?
08/17/21 at 11:00:20
 
With apparently Zero strategy, leaving helicopters and drones and tremendous amounts of artillery, rather than taking in troops and hauling out collaborators and Americans, they just removed the soldiers.
Did nobody attend a war college?
Does nobody have any idea how to leave a position and not make the enemy stronger in doing so?
ReFUKKINtarded is too kind.
Look at where YOU are.
Ohh,it's So much better not having Mean Tweets.
Thank GAWD he isn't Trump..
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Reply #1 - 08/17/21 at 11:03:11
 
You can't be stupid enough to Not know that the Chinese or others will be bidding on the drones and choppers.
Ohh,well, I could be wrong.
Lefties and stupid are inseparable.

Gee,Wally, why would anyone want our technology?
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Reply #2 - 08/17/21 at 11:54:31
 
With apparently Zero strategy, leaving helicopters and drones and tremendous amounts of artillery, rather than taking in troops and hauling out collaborators and Americans, they just removed the soldiers.


 The strategy was for the equipment to be left in control of the Afghan Government and military, not for drones to be left on the ground for anyone to pick up.  But it sounds worse if we say it that way.

 Perhaps in your time in Afghanistan you proposed better alternatives.

 How the process could have worked out differently I do not know.  We were well aware that total "enemy" counts could not be accurately done since there were so many sleepers among other components.  We knew we couldn't extract military aid we had already sold or given to another acknowledged government unless we have empirical evidence it would be compromised.  

 Could we have done a better job?  Absolutely.  Did we toss US owned military ordinance out for anyone to grab?  Not likely.  

 As for the President I could care less since none of them will run a strictly military campaign.  If Trump was in charge we would be getting complaints that we are still be bringing home dead and crippled servicemen.  Or more accurately this would have been done already but the Trump negotiation that completely left out the Afghan government is completely left out of this analysis.

 Trump agreed unconditionally to reduce U.S. troop levels to 8,600 by mid-July 2020 and totally withdraw by May 2021.

 But lets not talk about that part.
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Reply #3 - 08/17/21 at 11:56:56
 
Biden is in the WH... at the wheel. Not ducking responsibility.
Trump,.. negotiated a handover the keys deal with the Taliban last year.  If he were in office, it would have been done in May.  Biden delayed it 'till now. (Perhaps time to sabotage our tech?)
Rep Party and Trump both took down info on Trump's Taliban deal recently.  
Do you wonder why?

This is a suck situation... and would be whenever it happened.
The mistake was going in without an out.
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Reply #4 - 08/17/21 at 13:58:11
 
Ohh,Please, E,,what a load.

The PLAN,,
You really expect me to believe our illustratious Intelligence Agencies didn't Know that the so called Army we tried to put together were not gonna split for home?
So Much Planning that we have how many stranded Americans?
How many Afghanistan citizens who helped us?
Instead of, as I said, hauling in boots and funk,and carrying OUT people who will be killed, they FUKKIN WALKED.
Pretend a 12 year old cub scout could not organize a better withdrawal.
Blame TRUMP?
Funny how everything Trump was doing that was serving America well has been cancelled,
Border
Oil production
Name ANYTHING Biden has done that made our lives better..
But the fukkup in Afghanistan is on TRUMP?

Ohh, good Fukkin GRIEF!!!
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Reply #5 - 08/17/21 at 14:32:47
 
"You really expect me to believe our illustratious Intelligence Agencies didn't Know that the so called Army we tried to put together were not gonna split for home?"

 No.  I meant what I actually said, not what you want to pretend I said.

  The strategy was for the equipment to be left in control of the Afghan Government and military, not for drones to be left on the ground for anyone to pick up.  But it sounds worse if we say it that way.

 I said nothing about personnel.

 More should have been done to secure the staff on the ground, I never debated that, you are just adding that to my statement about equipment and imagining up a scenario where I claimed personnel and equipment are the same thing.

 
"Blame TRUMP?"

 No.  I am saying we should not leave out that Trump negotiated directly with the Taliban and was going to hand over Afghanistan, to the Taliban, in May.  Now before you imagine up some scenario where I am assigning any good or bad to this fact, lets clarify I am only stating the factual basis, and the lack of it within your Afghanistan departure equation.

 I don't even know how you arrived at blaming Trump for this but it has been proven that hypersensitivity to any word that isn't a direct agreement and reinforcement to the original post results in arguments against words that were never even said.
 
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Reply #6 - 08/17/21 at 14:47:05
 
You can’t go back on vacation when people are falling off jets that are taking off. You just can’t.

I certainly agree there’s plenty of blame to go around. But Gramps can’t repeat an overused phrase like The Buck Stops Here and then take that buck with him back on vacation to eat ice creme.

Stupid, clueless, old man.
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Reply #7 - 08/17/21 at 15:58:05
 
I'm pretty sure Trump hadn't negotiated to hand over the interpreters,Americans and weapons.
I'm not an idiot. Leaving NEEDED to happen.
A twelve year old could have planned and executed it better.
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Reply #8 - 08/17/21 at 16:24:02
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/17/21 at 15:58:05:
A twelve year old could have planned and executed it better.

Trump is no 12 year old.  
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Reply #9 - 08/17/21 at 16:46:53
 
Another nothing.
You're So clever
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Reply #10 - 08/17/21 at 21:47:55
 
I'm pretty sure Trump hadn't negotiated to hand over the interpreters,Americans and weapons.

 Actually in regards to "unconditional" transfer of power the weapons would have stayed if they were not owned by the US.  This means Afghan weapons, even if they were supplied by the US, would stay behind.  According to the actual verbiage in documents and not the pretty sure's going on out there.
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Reply #11 - 08/18/21 at 06:18:16
 
I'm just waiting for the admissions that it's a complete clusterfukk.

Biden is a laughingstock, worldwide.

The obvious truth of it would be So apparent for you lefties had Trump pulled this fiasco.

The DIFFERENCE here is
Had Trump done something so stupid, we would have pointed it out.
Lefties lie to themselves and they try to lie to us..
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Reply #12 - 08/18/21 at 09:18:16
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/18/21 at 06:18:16:
Biden is a laughingstock, worldwide.

The obvious truth of it would be So apparent for you lefties had Trump pulled this fiasco.


Suddenly you care what the world thinks.

Trump reached the point where the world stopped laughing behind his back and began laughing to his face.

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Reply #13 - 08/18/21 at 11:26:06
 
Serow, is that Donald "I take no responsibility" Trump?
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Reply #14 - 08/18/21 at 15:56:29
 
That video is supposed to teach something?

Go ahead show the whole thing.
I've never seen it.

You CAN'T admit Biden ignored advice and turned it into an absolute embarrassment.
I'm So Surprised..
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