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Reply #90 - 05/21/21 at 12:26:00
 
"I didn’t say murder anyone."

 Right, when I proposed a method in which resignations would happen without violence you indicated that a man can dream.

 I am just proposing a method where on Jan 6th, maybe some people would have resigned and that is watching someone's brain being blown out of their skull in front of them.  Witnessing an execution is a decent motivator.  

 But would enough people support a scenario like that?  We already know not enough people support the non-violent way it went down already.

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Reply #91 - 05/21/21 at 15:41:43
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/21/21 at 12:06:08:
I didn’t say murder anyone.

No, you did not,
However,
another poster,  IMPLIED, you did !!!!!
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Reply #92 - 05/21/21 at 16:11:34
 
"No, you did not,
However,
another poster,  IMPLIED, you did !!!!!"


 Incorrect, did I imply Webstermark when I stated:

"I think politicians would have been murdered in the Capitol leading to months of civil unrest,..."

So the real question, to me, is if the few people who would murder politicians...


 Lets examine this as well, again I clarify what portion "I" think, not what Webstermark thinks:

Webstermark's proposal is that Democrats would resign and orderly more fair elections take their place.  I do not agree that Democratic politicians will resign without use of violence.  I do not think that violent action would represent the majority.

 This clearly shows my assessment of Webstermark's statement and that I added violence to that equation.


 I even agree with Webstermark here and for a 5th time state that it is what "I" think.

"Right, when I proposed a method in which..."
 

 I never said Webstermark brought up murder, I very clearly stated, multiple times, I am proposing that as an alternative to Webstermark's proposal.
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Reply #93 - 05/21/21 at 16:46:52
 
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Eegore wrote on 05/21/21 at 16:11:34:
 "...  I never said Webstermark brought up murder, ..."


Great, so glad you clarified that !
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Reply #94 - 05/22/21 at 14:19:02
 
E said
But would enough people support a scenario like that?  We already know not enough people support the non-violent way it went down already.

You're talking about BLM?
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Reply #95 - 05/23/21 at 01:04:42
 

You're talking about BLM?

 I am talking about Jan 6th at the US Capitol.
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Reply #96 - 05/23/21 at 04:22:12
 
Eegore wrote on 05/21/21 at 12:26:00:
"I didn’t say murder anyone."

 Right, when I proposed a method in which resignations would happen without violence you indicated that a man can dream.

 I am just proposing a method where on Jan 6th, maybe some people would have resigned and that is watching someone's brain being blown out of their skull in front of them.  Witnessing an execution is a decent motivator.  

 But would enough people support a scenario like that?  We already know not enough people support the non-violent way it went down already.



Most of our current government supports and in some cases encourages violent protests from the left. The fear of protest forced a jury to convict a man of murder instead of obviously manslaughter. The entire downtown Portland is isolated and we don’t do anything. My company has an office there and the local manager just avoids the entire area and we’ve lost business but we’re not going to send him down there to try to get it back. For whatever reason African-Americans are attacking Asians at will but we ignore that and just say stop Asian hate and try to blame it on Trump. Supporters of Palestinian have attacked Jewish people in LA and New York and it’s kept quiet.

So yes, the leftist side of the political spectrum supports violence very easily. It’s natural for them.

I don’t wanna see anybody die. I’m against the death penalty. But when in the course of human events.......
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Reply #97 - 05/23/21 at 04:36:49
 
The fear of protest forced a jury to convict a man of murder instead of obviously manslaughter.

 I watched that entire trial.  I would have convicted him of murder, maybe not with the aggravated force addition though.  If I had spent 9 minutes on the neck any of the hundreds, yes hundreds, of meth or cocaine riddled patients I have held down over the years I would get a murder charge too, and not have been surprised when it happened.


The entire downtown Portland is isolated and we don’t do anything.  

 I agree that the handling of that has been poor.  By poor I do not mean the "same" I mean poor.


"So yes, the leftist side of the political spectrum supports violence very easily. It’s natural for them."

 I think the type of violence is relevant.  For sure leftist strategies are more diverse.  More diverse violence, not the "same" but more diverse.
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Reply #98 - 05/23/21 at 07:18:46
 
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Eegore wrote on 05/23/21 at 04:36:49:
" ...  I think the type of violence is relevant.  For sure leftist strategies are more diverse.  More diverse violence, not the "same" but more diverse.



Shoot a cat.

A cat, is eating, destroying, removing birds from my bird feeder.

If the cat ate birds I considered, ‘bad’, not a problem that cat can do whatever it wants.
If the cat ate birds I considered, ‘good’, the cat gotta go.

I Kill the cat, because I made a decision about what it was doing,
Not just because it was a cat.

I kill the cat with a trap, poison, or a gun.
3 different ways, yet the result is exactly the same.

The cat is dead, because of a decision I made that cat was eating, ‘good’ birds.
If the cat only ate, ’bad’, birds it would still be alive.

A step further.
I made a decision about the cat, based on my criteria.
And I know that down the street lives a person who hates all cats,
  just because they are a cat,
      regardless of whatever a cat is doing.
I call that person, then that person kills the cat, because I made the decision the cat gotta go.

How that is different from;
A person burning something to the ground.
A person destroying a building and all in it.
A Person steeling things in a building.
A person blocking traffic.
A person spiting, throwing rocks, bricks, etc at other people.
A person, doing those things, and more,
over and over and over and over again.
All over this Nation, and some others.
Using people who hate all cats, just because they are cats.
(With a handful of, ‘token hand slap’, arrests)

And

A Group of people, protesting their belief of a injustice.
     ONE TIME
And the hammer falls.


Could it be that, someone, made a decision to ‘punish’ other people?
And that decision was made of their believes, of what was, ‘bad’ or, ‘good’ ?

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Reply #99 - 05/23/21 at 11:10:38
 
WebsterMark wrote on Today at 04:22:12:
" ...  The fear of protest forced a jury to convict a man of murder instead of obviously manslaughter. ... "



That was NOT, the only reason !
They were TOLD to !
They made a choice to destroy one man, to save thousands of other's and their livelihood.
Because they were TOLD to !
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Reply #100 - 05/24/21 at 09:39:02
 

"Could it be that, someone, made a decision to ‘punish’ other people?
And that decision was made of their believes, of what was, ‘bad’ or, ‘good’ ?
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 It could be.

 I said the violence was more diverse.  Not the same but specifically more diverse.
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Reply #101 - 05/25/21 at 09:41:25
 
9 minutes of a man's full weight pressing on a handcuffed man's neck is an incidental death?....

Oooopsie!!!...  Undecided
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Reply #102 - 05/25/21 at 10:44:16
 
No, it wasn’t incidental, but was it intentional? Didn’t look like it.
Are you saying he intended to kill him? What tells you he intended to kill him? He was looking and interacting with people filming him. You think he thought ‘I don’t care, I’m going to kill him.’
Manslaughter? Sure. Jail time justified? Sure.
But the jury was aware of the consequences if they did not convict of a charge that didn’t include the word murder.

A moot point since he’ll get a new trial in the future and we’ll see what happens then.
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Reply #103 - 05/25/21 at 12:54:07
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/25/21 at 10:44:16:
No, it wasn’t incidental, but was it intentional? Didn’t look like it.
Are you saying he intended to kill him? What tells you he intended to kill him? He was looking and interacting with people filming him. You think he thought ‘I don’t care, I’m going to kill him.’
Manslaughter? Sure. Jail time justified? Sure.
But the jury was aware of the consequences if they did not convict of a charge that didn’t include the word murder.

A moot point since he’ll get a new trial in the future and we’ll see what happens then.



Can you please define third degree murder in Minnesota specifically?
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Reply #104 - 05/25/21 at 12:56:33
 
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Serowbot wrote on 05/25/21 at 09:41:25:
9 minutes of a man's full weight pressing on a handcuffed man's neck is an incidental death?..../

Which poster here said that ?
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