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Reply #15 - 05/11/21 at 20:09:48
 
Eegore wrote on 05/11/21 at 20:01:27:
Already their.
Read any, 'RED', laws,
or proposed 'RED' laws. ?



 I mean the examples you provided about the topic in this thread and specifically those examples.

 I can bring up any other topic and say it's "like" this.  In this case it would be like a neighbor calling in a Red Law event, the cops come take a guy's guns and then the guy goes and stabs his girlfriend to death.  The person who called in the Red Law then uses this event to say how right they were about him not having guns, an then says the proof was mainstream media being anti-Trump.


In context of C-19 and people saying they "knew" it was manufactured using the research of people that needed evidence to form an opinion is literally something anyone can do.  Anyone can claim things with no evidence and then use the work of others to validate their stance.

 At best it's a guess.  News programs that are anti-Trump are not proof that a disease is manufactured.

 



Eegore once again brings the unflappable logic.

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Reply #16 - 05/12/21 at 04:13:26
 
What I have not heard anyone ask Fauci is to simply describe what his definition of gain of function research is. During his bout with Sen Rand Paul yesterday, he claimed Paul’s assertions were incorrect and then said the NIH does not do gain of function research but then immediately a sentence later went on to say “unless it’s within acceptable boundaries” or somesuch language. What does that actually mean? What is the actual technical definition of gain of function research as it relates to microorganism research? I would think manipulating the spike proteins to match up with human respiratory airway cells at a higher rate would seem to fit the definition of gain of function research wouldn’t it? And if so, did or did not the NIH help fund this research, directly or indirectly,  at the Wuhan laboratory?
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Reply #17 - 05/12/21 at 05:23:04
 
I don't agree Fauci should know by memorization the parameters, since they change, of the entirety of gain if function policy for the NIH.

 I do think however he should have pointed the Senator to the NIH Office of Science Policy and encouraged him to look through the material himself, or request a representative(s) to attend for questioning.

 I mean why aren't they pulling people from NSABB for questioning? (National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity)  People act like Fauci comes up with all these decisions himself.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7128689/

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-fu...

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-fu...

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-commitme...

https://www.gryphonscientific.com/resources/gain-of-function/

 
https://osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/gain-of-function-research/



 Comparative resource:

https://osp.od.nih.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Gain_of_Function_Deliberati...
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Reply #18 - 05/12/21 at 08:34:58
 
I would disagree a little. On one hand,  gain of function research is not your average type of research. It’s like having a brother-in-law who has top-secret clearance in the government and works on nuclear missiles and having another brother-in-law who is a mechanic somewhere. You don’t exactly know what mechanic works on, just that he’s a mechanic, but you know for sure about the one who works on nuclear missiles. Gain of function research is not like finding a new Viagra. Fauci should know all the details by now, it’s been year and a half.

On the other hand, I don’t know if you know the name Alex Berenson but he’s a writer who has been on the Covid story from the very beginning. He was on Tucker Carlson last night and pushed back against Tucker‘s portrayal that Fauci is the key figure in the Covid pandemic.

I tend to agree with Alex‘s position. Fauci is the head of a multi billion dollar organization and the funding that went to the Wuhan lab for this gain of function research was relatively small and in fact probably hidden perhaps on purpose or just due to the sheer volume of activity.

Fauci deserves plenty of scorn but I can’t see pinning the whole thing on him. China? Sure, Fauci? Not so much.
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Reply #19 - 05/12/21 at 10:59:12
 
 I agree with Berenson regarding Fauci, but it is easier to demonize a single human than a multi-billion dollar organization.  I follow Alex Berenson and while I originally was ok with what he said, almost all of his predictions are wrong.

 The intentional misleading of the Danish vaccine results in nursing homes was when I finally said this guy is just scavenging for anything he can get ahold of, and like most, hopes people never actually read what he puts out as reference.

 Those of us that do read, and do the math see the lies.  Read this and tell me there was a 40% increase in deaths in nursing home due to the vaccine.  Show me exactly how that math works.  This is what Berenson offers as "proof" yet nobody who looks at it can replicate his results:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.08.21252200v1.full.pdf


 His blatant mischaracterization of what "Suspected but Unconfirmed" is obvious spin on facts.  Again hoping people accept his interpretation and never look at how that definition is actually reached.  

 It's important to understand that Berensen is saying if you got vaccinated, then never got Covid, but later had a runny nose, you are listed as being infected with Covid 19.  Does that make sense?  It does if you need to skew data to make vaccines look like they gave you Covid.


  When he tosses out stuff like "vaccines transiently suppress lymphocytes" he again hopes nobody knows what that actually means. and won't look it up.  Drops in lymphocyte blood count is a good thing for an immune response, but make it sound bad hoping people won't know better.  A permanent loss is the issue, and no record exists that Berenson can use.

 
 His claim that Israel is an example that vaccines don't work is opposite of what is actually happening.  He offers a Hebrew article as "proof" but if you translate it or have someone who can read Hebrew they would indicate most of the fatalities in that report did not receive a vaccine.  

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/B13FB1TMO


 The issue with Berenson is he is very selective in how he presents misleading data.  He was right to scrutinize the system of reporting, and administration but I think he gets too much revenue to admit he was wrong, or to report in a way that reflects the outcomes of the references he offers.  He has done this for a while now, I most often find him misrepresenting correlating data as causation and imagining up unrelated scenarios to prove inconsistent or incorrect math.

 
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Reply #20 - 05/12/21 at 19:40:14
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 05/11/21 at 20:01:27:
...I can bring up any other topic and say it's "like" this. ...
an then says the proof was mainstream media being anti-Trump
...  


WOW, and you say;
"Banning a Red Car,
because it was used in a bank robbery,
will stop all Bank robbers"


Is a bad, 'example', ????????????

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - 05/12/21 at 19:50:21
 

"…media, hell-bent on destroying Trump…"

 You provided that reasoning, not me.



"WOW, and you say;
"Banning a Red Car,
because it was used in a bank robbery,
will stop all Bank robbers"

Is a bad, 'example', ????????????"


 In context to what I said, yes.  It is a bad example if you want to change anyone's mind.  Specific to that context and only that context with the exception of all other forms of context.
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Reply #22 - 05/12/21 at 19:58:58
 
Quote:
T And T Garage wrote on 05/11/21 at 20:09:48:
...once again brings the unflappable logic...


You believe that:
"...News programs that are anti-Trump are not proof that a disease is manufactured...."

is,  'unflappable logic'.

Sure do hope you do NOT DRIVE your MC,
with your EYES CLOSED,
(Cause no one said you had to open them)


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Reply #23 - 05/13/21 at 07:37:53
 
I don’t follow Berenson close enough to know.
As far as inaccurate predictions and fuzzy math, that simply puts him in the same category as the rest of the media.  The only difference I can tell is he’s shunned from MSM as someone unreliable but he’s no more inaccurate than Paul Krugman for example.

Don’t really care about that I don’t wanna get into it. The point I think we agree on is while Fauci has a lot to answer for and should resign, he’s definitely not the one to blame for Covid. That lies entirely with the Chinese government.
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Reply #24 - 05/13/21 at 08:10:36
 

"The point I think we agree on is while Fauci has a lot to answer for and should resign, he’s definitely not the one to blame for Covid."

 What if you can pin down a specific, or a few, actions should Fauci resign for?
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Reply #25 - 05/13/21 at 09:31:54
 
Sorry, I see from rereading what I wrote that it implied you thought Fauci should resign which perhaps you don’t.My bad.

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Reply #26 - 05/13/21 at 09:57:25
 
 Maybe he should.  What reasons do you have?

 As of right now I see deficiencies across the board, but it is easier to blame a person than to audit multiple organizations and assign blame by percentage to all involved.  That's the responsibility leadership signs up for.
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Reply #27 - 05/13/21 at 10:42:53
 
That rarely happens and certainly not in government with elected representatives, appointed officials and unionized bureaucrats.

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Reply #28 - 05/13/21 at 11:32:28
 

 What reasons do you have for Fauci to resign?
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Reply #29 - 05/13/21 at 13:25:35
 
Eegore wrote on 05/13/21 at 11:32:28:
 What reasons do you have for Fauci to resign?


I think its something like: orange man good, science man bad.
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