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White Skinned Cop
04/27/21 at 12:44:41
 
A White Skinned Cop,
Subdues a Drug addled, Combative, black skinned Felon, the way he was taught to.
And will get 40 years in Prison because he died.

A Black Skinned Cop,
Killed White Skinned Woman in pajamas,
in cold blood,
who was posing no threat whatsoever.
Gets 12 years in prison, and will be out in 6.

Sure does sound,’RACIST’, to me !!!!!!

Wonder what a, subject, of a Monarchy with no constitutional rights would think about that ?

When such a person, (and others), believe it is ‘Racist’, to ask a person to show/prove, (a DL/ID, obtained by a BC or other) to exercise the right to vote as a Citizen of a free Nation which has a Constitutional ‘right’ to vote.

Yet  the same people believe it is not at all ‘Racist' to require, fingerprints, a fee, granting of a non elected person, a proficiency/skill test, a written test, a waiting period, a gathering and storage, (in perpetuity), of individual information, and has 12 reasons to completely deny ownership.
Of something they have a Constitutional ‘right’ to own.

Golly Gee Wally,
Sure does sound
'RACIST'
To me !

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Reply #1 - 04/27/21 at 13:43:26
 
"A White Skinned Cop,
Subdues a Drug addled, Combative, black skinned Felon, the way he was taught to.
And will get 40 years in Prison because he died.

A Black Skinned Cop,
Killed White Skinned Woman in pajamas,
in cold blood,
who was posing no threat whatsoever.
Gets 12 years in prison, and will be out in 6
."


 That sounds like the US judicial system for sure, but if we are going to compare crimes to race and sentencing we would have to cut this off at law enforcement and homicide.

 Compare drug crime, or sexual assault cases and black skinned first time offenders typically get longer sentences than white skinned first time offenders.

  There's volumes of studies showing case law breakdowns on crime type to sentencing duration.  I'm not sure how much is "racist" by definition, but I don't think the Chauvin case is racist, they didn't even find grounds for hate-crime.
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Reply #2 - 04/28/21 at 10:49:44
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 04/27/21 at 13:43:26:
" ...  Compare drug crime, or sexual assault cases and black skinned first time offenders typically get longer sentences than white skinned first time offenders.  ... "

   (first time offenders = first time caught)

Of course that has nothing to do with the ‘white bread’, 20 year old, buying drugs for the first time,
and getting caught because they simply don’t know how to avoid, the Law.
     VS
The person who from walking age has been tutored by peers on how to avoid/spot/evade/circumvent, and lie to the Law,
And beyond a shadow of a doubt it is far from, ’the first time’.


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Reply #3 - 04/28/21 at 14:07:33
 
"Of course that has nothing to do with the ‘white bread’, 20 year old, buying drugs for the first time,
and getting caught because they simply don’t know how to avoid, the Law.
    VS
The person who from walking age has been tutored by peers on how to avoid/spot/evade/circumvent, and lie to the Law,
And beyond a shadow of a doubt it is far from, ’the first time’."



 In Judicial proceedings a "first time offender" is to be treated as if this is the "first time offense".  There are thousands and thousands of examples of this in case law and jury instructions.  If a judge is assuming they are a multi-offender and increasing the sentencing based off of evidence not presented in the case they would be in violation of the law.

 If you were in court for defending yourself with a firearm would it be legal for the judge to assume you must have been wanting to shoot someone based off of the - beyond a shadow of a doubt - knowledge of how many guns you have and how often you shoot them?

 No it wouldn't, unless that was presented as evidence in the case.

 Now if the assessment is being done outside the parameters of the law one of the questions would be: Is it based on race?
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Reply #4 - 04/29/21 at 15:38:22
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/28/21 at 14:07:33:
" ...   If you were in court for defending yourself with a firearm would it be legal for the judge to assume you must have been wanting to shoot someone based off of the - beyond a shadow of a doubt - knowledge of how many guns you have and how often you shoot them?


And you know full well,
Defending a persons RIGHT to defend themselves.
Has nothing to do with a person buying/selling/making, Illegal Drugs.


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Reply #5 - 04/29/21 at 16:31:23
 
Wanting to shoot someone changes nothing. If the person getting shot is creating a threat that getting shot for is reasonable.  Go ahead
Make my day.
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Reply #6 - 04/29/21 at 19:08:29
 

"And you know full well,
Defending a persons RIGHT to defend themselves.
Has nothing to do with a person buying/selling/making, Illegal Drugs.
"


 It does when we are placing imagined or hypothetical scenarios in court cases.  If you can hypothetically claim an illegal application of law and sentencing related to drug crime I can hypothetically claim an illegal application of gun crime.

 The point is a judge or jury can not legally apply outside circumstances to a court case, they are to only utilize evidence presented in the case.  Gun, Drug, Auto, Fraud, etc etc, etc, any court case for any crime, is exclusive to evidence provided.

 So your example of comparing the probability of repeated offense in a drug case is equal to any US judicial case, as our rights are equal.


 My point is it is only racist if the non-presented evidence was evaluated based on race.
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Reply #7 - 04/29/21 at 19:11:11
 

"Wanting to shoot someone changes nothing. If the person getting shot is creating a threat that getting shot for is reasonable.  Go ahead
Make my day."


 This is correct.

 But MnSpring proposes one take external or non-presented evidence into consideration on sentencing which is illegal.

 Your "want" to shoot someone is only applicable if it was presented as evidence.

 My point is it is only racist if the non-presented evidence was evaluated based on race.
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Reply #8 - 04/30/21 at 12:00:00
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/29/21 at 19:08:29:
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 My point is it is only racist if the non-presented evidence was evaluated based on race.


So you are saying,
If someone decided that,
a person has had prior experience buying drugs,
because of the color of their skin.
It is Raciest.

Yet if someone decided that,
a person has had prior experience buying drugs,
Based on their actions/speech/attitude,
It is not Raciest ?

Or do the, ‘actions/speech/attitude’, have to be brought up in in testimony/evidence, to not be Raciest?
If they were simply observed, then it is, Raciest?

Or is it Raciest anytime, a defendant has different color skin, then the person doling out the sentence?
Or does it make a difference, which one has a lighter or darker skin?


(The word Raciest is meant to only be Raciest, to the exclusion of all other meanings of the word Raciest, excluding any meaning of the word Raciest, as it applies to Raciest or Race)



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Reply #9 - 04/30/21 at 21:08:10
 
So you are saying,
If someone decided that,
a person has had prior experience buying drugs,
because of the color of their skin.
It is Raciest.

 

 Yes.  And it would be illegal if they used that parameter outside of presented evidence in the case.  Historically white males get shorter sentences for first time offenses that, by law, are to be treated as a first time offense.



Yet if someone decided that,
a person has had prior experience buying drugs,
Based on their actions/speech/attitude,
It is not Raciest ?


 Yes.  Actions, Speech and Attitude are not a race.  However it would be illegal if the actions, speech or attitude were used outside of evidence presented in the case.  Historically white males get shorter sentences for first time offenses that, by law, are to be treated as a first time offense.



"Or do the, ‘actions/speech/attitude’, have to be brought up in in testimony/evidence, to not be Raciest?
If they were simply observed, then it is, Raciest?
"

 Actions Speech and Attitude are not a race.  It would be illegal to use any of those as a sentencing guideline outside of evidence presented in the case.  Historically white males get shorter sentences for first time offenses that, by law, are to be treated as a first time offense.



Or is it Raciest anytime, a defendant has different color skin, then the person doling out the sentence?

 A different color of the skin of the person doling out the sentence is not a requirement to be racist.  The reason for altering the sentence, if based on race, is racist.


Or does it make a difference, which one has a lighter or darker skin?

 It does not make a difference.  If the reason for altering the sentence is based on race it is racist.


 If a sentencing decision is based off the race of the defendant it is racist.   Race is the reason for racism so race would be the required factor for making a racist decision.
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