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Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladders.
04/22/21 at 08:00:20
 
People are climbing over Trump’s $15 billion border wall with $5 ladders
https://news.yahoo.com/people-climbing-over-trump-15-124142083.html
Brilliant New $5.34 Ladder Defeats Not So Brilliant $2.5 Billion Trump Fever Dream
https://www.citywatchla.com/index.php/332-editor-s-memo/19307-brilliant-new-5...



Gee,... whodda' thunk'd?...
Nobody could'a seen that coming  Huh



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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #1 - 04/22/21 at 08:31:12
 
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People are climbing over Trump’s $15 billion border wall with $5 ladders

I want one of those, 'ladders' that you show in the photo-shopped photo.
In fact I'll take 500, of those ladders that you show in the photo-shopped photo for $5.00, that will take the weight, of a SUV over that distance !!!!

What do the words,
'according to', 'are reportedly', 'report says', 'probably', etc, etc, etc,
describe ?

OBTY,  Have you had cards made up yet,
with your house address on it,
welcoming all illegals,
and spread them aground the
Tohono Oʼodham Nation border with Mexico ?????????



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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #2 - 04/22/21 at 09:03:45
 

"I want one of those, 'ladders' that you show in the photo-shopped photo.
In fact I'll take 500, of those ladders that you show in the photo-shopped photo for $5.00, that will take the weight, of a SUV over that distance !!!!"


 That isn't photoshopped.

 Also those also are not ladders, and that fence type pre-dates Trump era fabrication design.

 That section of fence exists in CA - AZ and the image exists at CBP.  I imagine this happened around 2010 - 2012.


 Serow's article is intentionally misleading when it says "and they've gotten at least one Jeep atop the wall by ramp, but then got it stuck." as they leave out the part that this happened during the Obama Administration.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #3 - 04/22/21 at 10:40:34
 
More fake news
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #4 - 04/22/21 at 10:52:34
 
 I don't know if it is "fake" since it happened.

 Anyone that thinks all those videos of people scaling the wall with ladders, ropes, lifts etc. is fake has some thinking to do.

 It is indeed misleading however to claim that Jeep Cherokee is stuck on a Trump built fence.  That Jeep got stuck years ago.

 Those fences haven't worked for decades.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #5 - 04/22/21 at 14:04:16
 
Without manpower, no chance.
The Chinese wall was manned.
The fence in DC was manned.
Stop pretending anyone said a wall was THE solution. Is crucial element.
Take your strawman home.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #6 - 04/23/21 at 11:34:17
 
 The wall in certain geographical areas is useful.  

 The issue to me is cost.  I could fence my property for $20,000 and buy a dog and maintain that dog to help secure my property.

 I could also buy a solar powered motion activated light and camera system that sends real-time updates to my phone and allows me to talk via speaker through the cameras for $1500.  

 I'd rather pay $1500 and a subscription fee of $110 a year for a live feed communications device with automated monitoring than have a fence and a dog for 20 grand.  For that matter an open source drone app with weather monitoring will auto launch a drone for me and record anything my cameras pick up, land and upload that footage for the cost of a drone.

 30 years ago a fence would have been the better option.


 Building a border fence today needs comprehensive research and implementation of a multitude of methods.  Fences and towers are very  archaic methods by today's standards.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #7 - 04/23/21 at 16:41:29
 
How many miles around your property vs miles of border?
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Reply #8 - 04/23/21 at 19:38:47
 

"How many miles around your property vs miles of border?"

 If you want the exact breakdown I can run the calculations but I am sure we all know my property is significantly smaller than the Border.  The financial allocation is also significantly different as well as manpower.

 The same reason for cost analysis applies however.  Should we spend a few million on a fence or a few million on a series of sensors?  Each section needs evaluated to see what works best for that geography.

 This idea that a complete wall is an answer is rediculous.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #9 - 04/24/21 at 03:33:24
 
Eegore wrote on 04/23/21 at 19:38:47:
"How many miles around your property vs miles of border?"

 If you want the exact breakdown I can run the calculations but I am sure we all know my property is significantly smaller than the Border.  The financial allocation is also significantly different as well as manpower.

 The same reason for cost analysis applies however.  Should we spend a few million on a fence or a few million on a series of sensors?  Each section needs evaluated to see what works best for that geography.

 This idea that a complete wall is an answer is rediculous.


A wall will not stop everyone, (Sadly it probably stops those who really need to get here)
However, it by a legal standpoint it gives the border patrol a "out" .

"Hi sir, did you see the sign that said you are crossing the the border"
"ah , ah, no, I can't read English"
"Sir,  the sign is also written in Spanish."
"ah , ah , I can't read."
Well you had to cross a wall, I doubt you missed that."
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Reply #10 - 04/24/21 at 07:48:46
 

 I see your point but is it worth billions to give CBP an "out" when ignorance to spatial boundaries is not applicable in court?

 CBP can enforce the Border and nobody can just claim they "didn't know" as a defense.  A physical barrier is advantageous but we are talking billions to get all that placed.  

 Maybe it is useful in the capacity you describe in a method that is fiscally advantageous as well, I couldn't really say.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #11 - 04/24/21 at 16:07:47
 
Eegore wrote on 04/24/21 at 07:48:46:
 I see your point but is it worth billions to give CBP an "out" when ignorance to spatial boundaries is not applicable in court?

 CBP can enforce the Border and nobody can just claim they "didn't know" as a defense.  A physical barrier is advantageous but we are talking billions to get all that placed.  

 Maybe it is useful in the capacity you describe in a method that is fiscally advantageous as well, I couldn't really say.



Maybe not billions for a way just way to give the border patrol a tool.
But how much do we spend?
For more cars on the road.
more health care for those that will not pay.
More criminal activity.
wealthfare payed to those who never payed in,
Loss taxes to under the table workers.  

Yes there are a lot of good people coming into this country however since we seem to not care who comes over the border. We will also get much rift raft. I lived in a area that had ms13 tags.  it seemed that ICE came in and went and chased out the ms13 guys . while ms13 was bothersome  to us, they seem to terrorize to legal and illegal immigrants. These are the attitudes that we don't need in this country. let us not let south American gangs in this country.
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #12 - 04/24/21 at 18:09:25
 
Eegore wrote on 04/23/21 at 19:38:47:
"... The financial allocation is also significantly different ..."


        Ah, Yea !!!!!!!

Golly gee Wally,
why is it that a structure, with the EXACT SAME SPEC'S,
Will cost 3 to 5 times MORE,
than the SAME Spec Structure,
when built for a State/County/Church/School ???????????????????????????

Of course it don't matter none,
cause someone will, spin,  and say that never happened.

40 years ago, a County was building a addition to the court house.
(Carter was Pres)
Because I was involved with other 'county' things, I looked at the specks.
A Light fixture, with 2 fluorescent bulbs, Mod Number, Mfg xxx, was listed at $296.87 each, (at 120 of them).
The SAME fixture, SAME model number, the SAME bulbs, could be had at the local Menard's, for $12.95 !
(AND LABOR WAS CHARGED EXTRA)

WHAT, Where the Hell did THIRTY FOUR THOUSAND Dollar's GO ?
WHO's  POCKET ?????

15 years ago, a good friend, (who was the Sheriff), asked me to tell him what it would cost to put in a Gun Range in the new building they just built.
I came up with the costs, of $175.000.00, with another $4,000.00 for me overseeing the project.
He  invited me to the, 'Consul', meeting, where the Consul would decide.

The Consul decided to 'Accept' the bid of, "$350.000.00, for the SAME THING !!!!!!!!

Golly Geeeeee Wally, Ya think, some of them, (or all of them), WERE ON THE TAKE ???????????

Now you are comparing, a little fence, in a little place, for a little distance, to a 'GOVERNMENT PROJECT' ?

Do you expect everyone to be clueless ??????



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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #13 - 04/24/21 at 18:31:24
 
Now you are comparing, a little fence, in a little place, for a little distance, to a 'GOVERNMENT PROJECT' ?

Do you expect everyone to be clueless ??????



 My example is about modern tech, not how much it costs me to build a fence vs the Government.  I am saying there are better technological advancements that are better than a fence in some areas.  I used my property as an example of modern tech vs fencing.

 I didn't say my fence would have an equal cost and distance margin.  I mean comparing prices for what you get is just as applicable to me as it is to the US Government.  Building a fence where other options work better makes more sense.

 Your gun range example proves this.  You think it is better to pay less for the same gun range.  Its even better to pay less and get more.

 I can live-monitor my entire property and have an automated drone, all powered off the grid for less than the cost of a fence.  Why would I build a fence?

 The National Guard covered miles of the Border with drone tech and there were fewer successful crossings.  Why build a fence with manned guard towers in that specific area?

 
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Re: Trump’s $15 billion wall defeated by $5 ladder
Reply #14 - 04/24/21 at 18:42:57
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 04/24/21 at 18:31:24:
" ... The National Guard covered miles of the Border with drone tech and there were fewer successful crossings.  Why build a fence with manned guard towers in that specific area?  ... " 

What, don't mention the Difference of,
A POTUS saying, "Don't Come".
and a POTUS saying, 'Come In,
         Everyone,
                 you will get FREE ...'

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