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04/19/21 at 18:16:41
 
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Reply #1 - 04/19/21 at 18:42:59
 

 Part of the issue is that Mexico doesn't have 50 different States that have Constitutional freedoms to decide how their local governments should manage these votes.  They have 31 localized governments but not with the same protections the US Constitution provides.

 This is pertinent because there is no US Citizen ID but instead State ID's.  So "upgrading" to Mexican standards that their SEGOB developed would require a significant change in the structure of both Federal and State governing structure or some workaround to have a "National" style voting ID.

 Now is that "racist"?  I wouldn't think so as long as everyone was required to have one and have their biometrics stored in a Federal database.
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Reply #2 - 04/19/21 at 18:57:09
 
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quote author=18383A322F385D0 link=1618881401/0#1 date=1618882979]
 Part of the issue is that Mexico doesn't have 50 different States that have Constitutional freedoms to decide how their local governments should manage these votes.   ..."


So, if a State, in the USA,
decides to, 'prove',
that a voter is a Citizen of this Country/State,
is it Racist ?
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Reply #3 - 04/19/21 at 19:05:33
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 04/19/21 at 18:42:59:
" ... Mexico doesn't have 50 different States that have Constitutional freedoms ... "

So, Constitutional Freedoms, in the USA States, are
ONLY valid, some of the time,
and
ONLY for some things ?


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"So, if a State, in the USA,
decides to, 'prove',
that a voter is a Citizen of this Country/State,
is it Racist ?"


 I answered that in my post.  Again:

Now is that "racist"?  I wouldn't think so as long as everyone was required to have one and have their biometrics stored in a Federal database.


"So, Constitutional Freedoms, in the USA States, are
ONLY valid, some of the time,
and
ONLY for some things ?

"

 No.  I said Mexico does not have 50 different States that have Constitutional Freedoms.  To clarify the number of "States" Mexico has is zero.  This excludes Mexico from being in a category of 50 "States".

 Mexico does not have a Constitution reflecting the identical freedoms of the US Constitution specific to voting.

 Since Mexico lacks both the 50 "State" parameter and the identical US Constitution parameter it can be reliably said that Mexico does not have 50 States that have Constitutional freedoms specific to managing votes.

 How this can impact US States and the US Constitution is hard for me to understand.
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Reply #5 - 04/20/21 at 07:50:35
 
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Eegore wrote on 04/20/21 at 05:41:52:
" ...  How this can impact US States and the US Constitution is hard for me to understand."


It is hard for you to understand how the Lack of Proof,
that a person is a Citizen of this Nation,
   and a resident of a State,
      and only votes once,
Could affect this Nation ?
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So, Constitutional Freedoms, in the USA States, are
ONLY valid, some of the time,
and
ONLY for some things ?



 That makes sense when you outline what you mean.

 When you initially asked you cut my sentence to say only the following:

"... Mexico doesn't have 50 different States that have Constitutional freedoms ..."

 In context to this exact section and no other section of this post, other threads, or forum posts in totality, I would not immediately assume you were comparing your question to anything more than the quote section you provided.

 That quote section stated Mexico lacks 50 "States" and an equal Constitution and only those things.  As such it was only those things I understood your question to relate to.

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Reply #7 - 04/21/21 at 15:22:41
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 04/20/21 at 09:02:57:
" ...   In context to this exact section and no other section of this post, other threads, or forum posts in totality,
I would not immediately assume
you were comparing your question to anything more than the quote section you provided ... "
 

Sounded like you just said it is my fault.

That you don’t understand,
the simple concept,
         of how allowing a Non Citizen to Vote,
         and vote multiple times,
Can effect a Nation.

And especially when that illegal voting,
is voting for the party,
that is enabling and encouraging,
         the illegal voting.


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Reply #8 - 04/21/21 at 19:13:53
 
"Sounded like you just said it is my fault."

 No.  I assessed your post to be in context with the quote you provided.

 As in that Mexico does not have 50 States and a Constitution that is applied like the US Constitution.

 When you asked:

"So, Constitutional Freedoms, in the USA States, are
ONLY valid, some of the time,
and
ONLY for some things ?"


 I applied that exclusively to the lack of 50 States and US Constitution, not to the totality of the post as a whole.  I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that Constitutional Freedoms in the US are only valid part of the time.  I do not know how Mexico having less than 50 States applies to the US Constitution not being applied in the US all of the time.

 Now is any of this "racist"?  I wouldn't think so as long as everyone was required to have one and have their biometrics stored in a Federal database.
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Reply #9 - 04/22/21 at 07:32:32
 
A voter does have to be registered to vote.
If there were people voting under other registered voters names it would be quickly discovered by double ballots.
As these numbers are minuscule, ID's are a fix for an imaginary problem and serve only to make voting harder.

Voter suppression is unconstitutional.  And 300 bills to restrict voting in swing states where virtually no vote tampering exists is obvious vote suppression.

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Reply #10 - 04/22/21 at 08:06:18
 
Quote:
Eegore wrote on 04/21/21 at 19:13:53:
" ...  Now is any of this "racist"?  I wouldn't think so as long as everyone was required to have one and have their biometrics stored in a Federal database.

* everyone was required to have one
* have their biometrics stored


Exactly what the Socialists want !

In this Nation, it was started in 1924,
probably not by a socialistic goal,
  but a personal, greed, and power goal.
    Then destroyed in 1972.

Eegore you know all about this,
so I don’t have to provide you any information.

Links below are for the others, who are under 40 ish,
and wish to learn.

https://galganov.com/2020/08/09/j-edgar-hoovers-files/

https://mindovermystery.com/m-o-mystery-j-edgar-hoovers-secret-files/

https://historycollection.com/myths-and-mysteries-from-j-edgar-hoovers-personal-
files/3/


https://historycollection.com/myths-and-mysteries-from-j-edgar-hoovers-personal-
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marilyn-monroe-mystery-where-are-her-fbi-files/

And on and On and On and On …

" ... secret files that J. Edgar Hoover kept
on anyone with the power to do him favors,
or do him ill, a huge swath of America’s power structure. All serious biographers of Hoover recognize the existence of the files ... "


“… While it's now uncommon
for an FBI director to hold the office for more than a few years,
J. Edgar Hoover managed to stick around for decades…”


“… Why? According to various rumors over the years,
it's because Hoover had tons of blackmail material
on each of the presidents he served under…”


“ … Hoover was long suspected
of having compromising information
about almost anyone in Washington …”

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Reply #11 - 04/22/21 at 08:43:14
 
"A voter does have to be registered to vote."

 In Colorado you have to be registered to vote.  In ND you have to have ID.

https://vote.nd.gov/IDRequirements.aspx




"As these numbers are minuscule, ID's are a fix for an imaginary problem and serve only to make voting harder."

 ID requirement has been the case in CO for decades and there hasn't been any push bringing up how hard it makes voting.




Section 1-1-104(19.5), C.R.S., Secretary of State Rule 2.3

- A valid Colorado driver’s license or valid identification card issued by the Colorado Department of Revenue. (Note:  documents issued to not lawfully present and temporarily lawfully present individuals under Part 5 of Article 2 of Title 42, C.R.S. are not acceptable forms of identification.)
- A valid U.S. passport.
- A valid employee identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by any branch, department, agency, or entity of the U.S. government or of Colorado, or by any county, municipality, board, authority, or other political subdivision of Colorado.
- A valid pilot’s license issued by the federal aviation administration or other authorized agency of the U.S.
- A valid U.S. military identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector.
- A copy of a current (within the last 60 days) utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the elector.
- A Certificate of Degree of Indian or Alaskan Native Blood.
- A valid Medicare or Medicaid card issued by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
- A certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate for the elector.
- Certified documentation of naturalization.
- A valid student identification card with a photograph of the eligible elector issued by an institute of higher education in Colorado, as defined in section 23-3.1-102(5), C.R.S..
- A valid veteran identification card issued by the U.S. department of veterans affairs veterans health administration with a photograph of the eligible elector.
- A valid identification card issued by a federally recognized tribal government certifying tribal membership.

 Also:
- Verification that a voter is a resident of a group residential facility, as defined in section 1-1-104(18.5), C.R.S.
- Verification that a voter is a person committed to the department of human services and confined and eligible to register and vote shall be considered sufficient identification of such person for the purposes of section 1-2-210.5, C.R.S.
- Written correspondence from the county sheriff or his or her designee to the county clerk indicating that a voter is confined in a county jail or detention facility.


I guess big name businesses should have spoken up 30 years ago and moved out of Colorado then.
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Reply #12 - 04/22/21 at 08:48:11
 

Exactly what the Socialists want !


 This is what Mexico is doing.  It's not racist since it is required of everyone.    If there are cultural barriers then the process could be racist.  So we either have everyone Federally documented to preserve the equality or we deal with the challenges of race-related perceptions or realities of voter ID requirements.
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