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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses. 04/15/21 at 16:23:02 Question to those who are against abortion. Do you think a woman has a right to abort a child with Downe Syndrome.
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Reply #1 - 04/15/21 at 17:43:35

I can't imagine anyone here is going to say they are against a-bortion, but if it's Downe Syndrome it's ok. Sexual assault, no aabortion. In-cest, no abortion. Might die, no ab-ortion. Downe Syndrome, sure why not.

Isn't the issue that no woman has the right to abortion at all? It's like saying men have the right to kill kids.

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Reply #3 - 04/15/21 at 20:29:47

OK because y'all have probably heard about Ohios new law that makes it illegal to abort a Downe syndrome fetus. What is interesting, well interesting for those who follow the Supreme Courts holy war against Roe v Wade, is that to get around Roe v Wade, the judges are being invited to equate this with eugenics, with all it's associations with the Nazis.

It seems all the GOP stands for these days is perpetual outrage, abortion oppression, voter suppression and tax breaks for the wealthy.

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Matchless G11 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 451 Newfoundland NJ	Re: Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses. Reply #4 - 04/16/21 at 03:15:51 So are you basically saying some one with Downs are less worthy to live than any body else?
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Reply #5 - 04/16/21 at 05:42:05

"So are you basically saying some one with Downs are less worthy to live than any body else?"

He's saying Ohio made it illegal. In general from my experience if one is pro-choice they are ok with all fetus being aborted since a fetus has not been born. The issue is Choice, not the genetic status of the fetus.

That is exclusively my limited interactions and not intended to proclaim a factual or analyzed assessment of abortion interpretation.

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Reply #6 - 04/16/21 at 05:45:49

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So are you basically saying some one with Downs are less worthy to live than any body else?

Of course after all the, 'sub-standard', are killed,
next it will be the Jews !

Oh did you hear the interview with AOC ?
She was asked:
"What do you think of Row vs Wade"
She said;
"Well that is the only two ways they can get across"

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Reply #7 - 04/16/21 at 17:10:22

Eegore wrote on 04/16/21 at 05:42:05:

"So are you basically saying some one with Downs are less worthy to live than any body else?"

He's saying Ohio made it illegal. In general from my experience if one is pro-choice they are ok with all fetus being aborted since a fetus has not been born. The issue is Choice, not the genetic status of the fetus.

That is exclusively my limited interactions and not intended to proclaim a factual or analyzed assessment of abortion interpretation.

So is the fetus alive?

If so should it have been protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If it has separate dna, brain wave activities and a heart beat is that not life?

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Reply #8 - 04/16/21 at 20:53:54

"So is the fetus alive?

If so should it have been protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If it has separate dna, brain wave activities and a heart beat is that not life?"

To me this is less about Life but more about Choice when discussing "pro-choice". The decision if a woman has the right to choose regarding giving birth, not the genetic status of a fetus. Basically, to me, some people think a woman should not get to choose if she gives birth or not, other people will decide for her.

"Fetus" and "life" have too many variables, everyone will have a different opinion. So, to me, it is about Choice more than it is about Life when we first break down what to talk about.

Does a pregnant female have a Choice? That's an easier yes or no answer to me.

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Re: Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses.
Reply #9 - 04/17/21 at 03:03:51

Eegore wrote on 04/16/21 at 20:53:54:

"So is the fetus alive?

If so should it have been protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

If it has separate dna, brain wave activities and a heart beat is that not life?"

To me this is less about Life but more about Choice when discussing "pro-choice". The decision if a woman has the right to choose regarding giving birth, not the genetic status of a fetus. Basically, to me, some people think a woman should not get to choose if she gives birth or not, other people will decide for her.

"Fetus" and "life" have too many variables, everyone will have a different opinion. So, to me, it is about Choice more than it is about Life when we first break down what to talk about.

Does a pregnant female have a Choice? That's an easier yes or no answer to me.

Every one has a different opinion?
Humm it seems a objective truth and subjective truth are getting mixed up.
Truth is when you stop someone's heart beat you kill them.
Simple..
If they are inside or outside a womb should not matter.

And for those who are not sure...

Would you run over some thing in the road that may look like a person
because you are not sure?

Whether one believe in God or karma a day of reckoning will come.

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Reply #10 - 04/17/21 at 07:03:11

"Truth is when you stop someone's heart beat you kill them."

True.

"If they are inside or outside a womb should not matter."

This is the opinion I was talking about. In my opinion a fetus at all stages of life is not a human with full judicial rights. In my opinion.

"Would you run over some thing in the road that may look like a person
because you are not sure?"

By my definition a human on a road has been born and is now afforded all the rights of a born human so I would not run it over. If you asked me if I would run over a fresh tampon with potential embryonic fluid maintained at a survivable temperature then yeah I probably would.

So my assessment about "pro-Choice" is that the question is more about Choice than Life. Do women have the right to choose if they give birth? Or do other people make that choice for them? Easier to answer, in my opinion.

In context to Eau's proposed question - it seems, to me, that being "Pro-life" and pro-Downe-Syndrome-abortion are mutually exclusive. If a 13 year old girl is impregnated by her father and must attempt a live-birth by law, why would it be ok to abort a fetus with Downe Syndrome?

One would have to be pro-choice in some capacity to be willing to abort a fetus for any reason.

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Re: Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses.
Reply #11 - 04/17/21 at 08:20:08

Just in case,... should we legislate that all used tampons require proper burial?
This is hyperbolic, but points out the absurdity of the pro-life position.
Is the morning after pill murder? Are two cells a person?

Is a nut and a bolt a motorcycle? It could potentially be. It depends on the intention of the builder.
I'll let the woman decide.
She's got the tools.

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Reply #12 - 04/17/21 at 12:17:43

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Serowbot wrote on 04/17/21 at 08:20:08:

" ... Is a nut and a bolt a motorcycle? It could potentially be. ... "

Yes, two pieces of metal, COULD, be a motorcycle.
(Or a whole bunch of other things)

Two, Human cells, could ONLY be another Human.
(The only Sentient Being
on this Spaceship called Earth as we know it)

One is a Human, Sentient, being.

One is, a NUT & BOLT !

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Re: Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses.
Reply #13 - 04/17/21 at 12:35:05

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Eegore wrote on 04/16/21 at 20:53:54:
" ..., Does a pregnant female have a Choice? ... "

The vary vast majority of women having a abortion,
Have Chosen,
to DROP the aspirin,
they held with their knees.

They have Chosen to Kill a Human being,
for convince,
to be able to, Kill another Human being,
for convince.

Rather clear that the stopping of the teachings of:
'You are Responsible for the things You Do'
in pre-school, grade-school, high-school, collage,
(because it is not PC correct)
Has had a effect.

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Re: Abortion of Downe Syndrome fetuses.
Reply #14 - 04/18/21 at 05:20:26

Serowbot wrote on 04/17/21 at 08:20:08:

Just in case,... should we legislate that all used tampons require proper burial?
This is hyperbolic, but points out the absurdity of the pro-life position.
Is the morning after pill murder? Are two cells a person?

Is a nut and a bolt a motorcycle? It could potentially be. It depends on the intention of the builder.
I'll let the woman decide.
She's got the tools.

Mensural blood is just blood,
however sperm and egg do make a person are a different item all together.

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-just-captured-the-actual-flash-of-lig...

As my high school biology book stated it requires male intervention.
so it is not just a woman's choice.

As for motorcycles
They do not have a a heart beat at 18 days.
they cannot move their arms and legs at 6 weeks.
And a motorcycle does not have brain waves at 43 days.
And a motorcycle can not have fingernails and suck it's thumb at 11 weeks.

This is a person not a motorcycle.

In fact I can go get a can a gasoline and douse my shed and torch all my bikes, every thing from my ryca to my 1971 bsa.
The worse I might get is a charge of arson and or insurance fraud.
(that is if the flames do go anywhere else). I have no interest in doing such a thing. Just making a point.

However if a mad man were to set fire to a preschool the charges would be different.

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