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Reply #30 - 12/15/20 at 05:13:13
 
Eegore wrote on 12/14/20 at 15:43:50:
"The challenges raised by the Campaign in this case, however, come long after the last play or even the last game; the Campaign is challenging the rulebook adopted before the season began."

 This is pretty close to how I see it.  Other than PA these challenges come after the election loss and were the same in 2016.  Why is there only fraud in areas where Trump lost and why wasn't it fraud before?


You’re stuck on this idea in your head the same things go on every year. They did not. We did not have 100 million vote before Election Day. We did not have states change election procedures near the election that made it easy to cheat. None of these events happened before. Now, put this together with an unprecedented media manipulation of news stories that were designed to harm one candidate and protect the other and we got exactly what you would expect.

This is like opening your company vending machines in the break room with a box for payment under the honor system, then hiring a thousand temporary workers at minimum wage, and be shocked at the theft.

If you doubt this “never before election” produced unparalleled fraud, you’ve naivety is off the charts.
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Reply #31 - 12/15/20 at 07:15:52
 
"You’re stuck on this idea in your head the same things go on every year. They did not."

 That's not what I am saying.  I am saying that the legal challenges are going after things that did happen before, or trying to leverage previous practice in ways that skirt around providing direct evidence.

 The specifics of the legal challenges lack addressing the issues you present.  They address things like sharpie markers, or misread numbers, or "no Republican poll watchers" only to be challenged and answered with nonsense like "non-zero number".

 It is an unprecedented election process, but the lawsuit material doesn't typically address anything you are mentioning.  

 
 It's like having vending machines for decades and then trying to say that the vending machines were installed in a way that facilitates theft.  So you sue to take out the vending machines and not address the thousand temporary workers.

 This is the same logic as completely removing the USPS from the voting process and somehow want to have each voter justify why they can't go to a polling location in-person in order to be counted.  All this does is create another problem, primarily for the elderly.
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Reply #32 - 12/15/20 at 08:36:22
 
Except that didn’t happen.
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Reply #33 - 12/15/20 at 11:39:58
 

"Except that didn’t happen."

 What didn't happen?

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Reply #34 - 12/15/20 at 12:24:11
 
Nobody completely removed USPS but they did change voting procedures at the last minute.
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Reply #35 - 12/15/20 at 12:28:24
 
 Ahh ok.

 I was referencing your recommendation that the USPS be removed from the voting process.  Or at least "no mail in" so absentee would have to be submitted some other way.

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Reply #36 - 12/15/20 at 13:16:21
 
We had states mail unsolicited ballots to every single voter on their registration rolls and then forced to count hundreds of thousands more than they ever had to before. Some states have been doing this in limited capacities before not critical swing states like MI, Pa, WI, GA.

Georgia is finally going to fully audit one county. What happens if their audit shows a high percentage of cases with unverifiable signatures on absentee ballots?

Look, experience tells me when you give people an opportunity to cheat some will definitely do it. And when you have four years of a media campaign painting one candidate as Hitler reincarnate any other as a comfortable safe little grandpa who just wants us to get along, you know there was widespread fraud even if it was an orchestrated from the top down. There have already been plenty evidence presented where ballots were counted without oversight and ballots counted without matching signatures even though they were supposed to.

Look, it’s too late. Biden will be president. Trump has a one in 1 million chance something changes that. The Democrats stole the election. They got away with it.
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Reply #37 - 12/15/20 at 14:37:17
 

"Georgia is finally going to fully audit one county. What happens if their audit shows a high percentage of cases with unverifiable signatures on absentee ballots?"


 That's a good question.  I am glad to see it is happening and I too wonder what the results will be.  At least in this case there will be solid evidence and not speculation reinforced by very creative math.

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Reply #38 - 12/16/20 at 04:09:28
 
Snot over..

‘I can either sit back and be a part of the surrender caucus, or I can fight for our country’



“Well, it’s happened many times in the past,” Brooks said. “Apparently, some folks have not done their history. By way of example, the Democrats in the House tried it in 2017 when they tried to strike Alabama’s votes for Donald Trump. Georgia, the same way, the House Democrats tried to strike it. Barbara Boxer tried to strike Ohio for George Bush back in 2005, so this is not unusual. The law is very clear, the House of Representatives in combination with the United States Senate has the lawful authority to accept or reject Electoral College vote submissions from states that have such flawed election systems that they’re not worthy of our trust.”



And in this instance, with what has happened nationally, I’m quite confident that if we only counted lawful votes cast by eligible American citizens, Donald Trump won the Electoral College, and we should not be counting illegal votes and putting in an illegitimate President of the United States.” he continued.



The Alabama Republican congressman also pledged not to be a part of what he deemed the “surrender caucus” with the GOP, adding that he needs a U.S. Senator to join his challenge to the Electoral College for it to be successful.



Well, where we’re headed as a country is this, quite simply, we’re a Republic, and the bedrock of a Republic is an honest and accurate voting system. And if you don’t have an honest and accurate voting system, then you may as well throw out the claim that you’re a Republic. You’ve lost that right. You’ve lost the control of your government, and under those circumstances, those who can steal the most votes, who can engage in the most voter fraud and get away with it are going to be the ones that rule the roost in Washington, D.C. That’s not what our founding fathers wanted. That’s not what a million or so Americans who have lost their lives in wars wanted, giving us this Republic, this democracy where we could control our own fate and our own destiny.



So I have a choice, I can either sit back and surrender and be a part of the surrender caucus, or I can fight for our country. And that’s what I’m going to do. So on January 6, I’m going to object to the submissions of Electoral College votes from various states that, in my judgment, have such flawed election systems that their vote counts are unworthy of our ratification in the United States Congress. What I need is a United States Senator who will join me. If we have a House member and a senator, then by golly, that forces a House vote and a floor vote on whether to accept this systematically flawed election system or to reject it. I want to reject it so that we can have an honest and fair and accurate election.”



At a fundraiser last Saturday Stevie Wonder said
Everybody knows they stole it..
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Reply #39 - 12/16/20 at 04:38:32
 
and the bedrock of a Republic is an honest and accurate voting system.

I see you don't do irony. Yes, it is the bedrock of a democracy and your election was deemed by the election watchdog, handpicked by Trump to be the most secure in US history. Even the toadying Bill Barr said there was no meaningful election fraud. In fact it's amazing how well it was run in hindsight in the middle of a pandemic.

The only fraud is that set up by Trump beforehand and perpetrated by him and his supine sycophants. What is clear is that the Retrumplicans have no truck with democracy and they don't give a sh!t about the damage they are doing by continuing with this idiocy.

The Supreme Court and every other court and appeal court below them unanimously agreed there was no evidence of fraud in fact fraud wasn't even alleged in the actual court cases, just bs procedural rubbish that was struck down continuously.

The courts don't look at the gateway pundit for evidence, they have slightly higher standards. Trump is the ultimate conman and he knows there's one born every minute. He also knows how to harness your loathing and fear and hate and and racist anger.

But carry on JoG, because no one give a fcuk, even that son of a mitch McConnell has said, 'enough'. Can't you see this has all just been a sideshow to humour Trump because the spineless Retrumplicans, most of them anyway, are too scared that he'll mean tweet at them like he did to Jeff Sessions.
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Reply #40 - 12/16/20 at 04:38:59
 
Absolutely everybody knows. F’ing thieves.
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Reply #41 - 12/16/20 at 04:40:40
 
No only people like you 'know' it. Only people who think a tv sideshow is 'evidence' and don't take any meaning from every court in the land from the lowest to the highest throwing every case out.

It's Trump who is the fcuking thief, and you know it.
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Reply #42 - 12/16/20 at 04:48:38
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/16/20 at 04:38:59:
Absolutely everybody knows. F’ing thieves.


There’s another objection. One member of the House and one member of the Senate must object on Jan 6th to Electoral College count. Unlikely to succeed but one of the last chances for justice to prevail.
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Reply #43 - 12/16/20 at 05:03:22
 
Don't you understand, that's just part of the show, all it would do is cause a two hour delay and it would force half the GOP to shoot it down which McConnell knows is not a good look which is why he's called an end to this nonsense.
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Reply #44 - 12/16/20 at 05:08:40
 
Read something other than the news from people who only tell you what you want to hear. At least one time FFS.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/16/opinion/republican-party-voter-fraud.html
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