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Reply #16 - 12/03/20 at 11:08:10
 
There’s something else about publishing the entire contents of a video or a hearing for that matter. I watched about 2 1/2 hours of the Michigan hearing last night and was lucky enough to catch some of the key parts of it. This morning, I get up and read that it was a joke and a complete waste of time. That’s not what I saw. That’s not what the multiple witnesses testified to. What they said does not resemble at all what was published in the mainstream media. So James O’Keefe could put 20 hours a video online and let’s face it about 1/10 of 1% would watch even half of that.

We have a crooked, corrupt news media and anything that brings them down I’m in favor of.

What do you call a journalist, a rope, and a tree?
A good start.
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Reply #17 - 12/03/20 at 11:34:26
 
"One, the, 'NEWS', from Good Morning America tv program."

 Those aren't the weather models I am talking about.  Those are weather reports from mainstream news.


"I see, so if CNN 'reports' something, it is NOT, automatically, 'correct'.

And if Veritas 'reports' something, it is NOT, automatically, 'wrong'.
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 Exactly.  The issue is the resistance to accepting that Veritas has admitted to altering video for the purpose of altering the context.  Veritas has been wrong and manipulative multiple times, just like CNN, and people want to defend Veritas as if they have done some version of superior journalism.  For some reason I am expected to ignore all the manipulated videos this one time because they are exposing CNN.

 I see no reason to ignore that my neighbor lied to me in the past because he is telling me something I want to hear now.

 

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Reply #18 - 12/03/20 at 11:47:19
 

Project Veritas has released the full, unedited, audio of U.S. Postal Service whistleblower Richard Hopkins being questioned by federal authorities after he disclosed ballot manipulation in Erie, Pennsylvania.


 Actually they did not release it, they did however link to it.  Listen to it if you want to see classic interrogation methods.


 I never said O'Keefe only manipulates his video footage, I am saying he has.  I am saying he has refused to provide raw footage, not that he always does.

 I am saying that after initially following the group in 2010 there were a string of videos that all the sudden started being conveyed in a different format.  Then the discrepancies started occurring more frequently and I couldn't just say it was chance or honest mistakes.  

 The difference here is I am not so caught up in the mission of PV that I ignore when they do some things I would not agree meets my standard of honest presentation.  


"What they said does not resemble at all what was published in the mainstream media."

 Of course not.  Mainstream media is garbage as they appeal to customers for revenue.  I choose not to use it as a primary source of information, I have stated that here for years.


"We have a crooked, corrupt news media and anything that brings them down I’m in favor of."

 This is where I disagree.  If an organization wants to expose something the minute they resort to crime, manipulation, lies etc. they lose their credibility and actually help the other side.  Do things that helps change, not just drive up profit from the people that already agree with you.
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Reply #19 - 12/03/20 at 13:05:15
 
Eegore wrote on 12/03/20 at 11:47:19:
... This is where I disagree.  If an organization wants to expose something the minute they resort to crime, manipulation, lies etc. they lose their credibility and actually help the other side. ...
(in response to: "We have a crooked, corrupt news media and anything that brings them down I’m in favor of."

So the UL, FDS, DFI Socialistic people,
when they CRY that a current POTUS is corrupt,
and do Anything and Everything they can possibly can to bring him down.
Have lost their credibility ?

Good to know how you feel about the tt clones and the TDS affected !
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Reply #20 - 12/03/20 at 13:11:04
 
Eegore wrote on 12/03/20 at 11:34:26:
... Those are weather reports from mainstream news....

Thinking that a person named Al Roker, would disagree with you,
as he called them models.
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Reply #21 - 12/03/20 at 13:37:43
 
Exactly.  The issue is the resistance to accepting that Veritas has admitted to altering video for the purpose of altering the context.  Veritas has been wrong and manipulative multiple times,

I do not see where they’ve admitted altering video for the purpose of altering the context - multiple times.
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Reply #22 - 12/03/20 at 15:03:10
 
"Thinking that a person named Al Roker, would disagree with you,
as he called them models."


 He can call them whatever he wants.  I don't consider them climate change models, and they aren't the models I am talking about.  That is why I used the phrase:

"Those aren't the weather models I am talking about."

 To clarify, I am not talking about Al Roker's models.  I am talking about extensive long-term weather models specific to change over time.



"So the UL, FDS, DFI Socialistic people,
when they CRY that a current POTUS is corrupt,
and do Anything and Everything they can possibly can to bring him down.
Have lost their credibility ?
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 Yes.  I have said that before but you conveniently ignore it.  Just like ignoring that I worked to get gun control measures reduced in CO, and was part of the lawsuit that defunded Government takeover of private ranch land and when I worked to, and successfully had politicians recalled, but instead you want to claim the only way someone would want to restructure the phrasing of the Second Amendment is to get rid of guns.  So that means I am pro-gun control.

 You see what you want and ignore the rest.
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Reply #23 - 12/03/20 at 15:23:21
 

"I do not see where they’ve admitted altering video for the purpose of altering the context - multiple times."

 The "for the purpose of" is my assessment.  Let me re-word it:

They’ve admitted altering video, by my assessment to alter context.  

 If you don't consider the response to that ACORN ruling and the NPR quote cutting to be altering video that changes the context then we simply will not agree.

 O'Keefe has discussed that, the NPR quote, and the Medicaid videos.
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Reply #24 - 12/04/20 at 05:28:32
 
They’ve admitted altering video, by my assessment to alter context.

Then every news story that uses less than full length video does it to alter context. ACORN demonstrated a willingness to look past the proposed criminal behavior of their potential clients in order to achieve their goal. That’s what the video portrayed. The fact one of the acorn members showed some concern for one of the women later on doesn’t change that fact.

A thief who robs your home but leaves personal pictures is still not a good guy. If you were to do a story on video and the owner of the home said family pictures were left behind on camera but you as the editor, left that out, are you guilty of “the Eegore sin” of video manipulation to alter context?

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Reply #25 - 12/04/20 at 06:17:35
 
Eegore wrote on 12/03/20 at 15:03:10:
... like ignoring that I worked to get gun control measures reduced in CO ...

Don't know what you did, don't know what it was before and what changed.
Perhaps it was before my time here.

... was part of the lawsuit that defunded Government takeover of private ranch land ...

Again, don't know what you did, don't know what it was before and what changed.
Perhaps it was before my time here.

... worked to, and successfully had politicians recalled ...

And yet again, don't know what you did, don't know what it was before and what changed.
Perhaps it was before my time here.
I am still involved with recalling the highly Socialistic Gov in Minn
What does that count for ?

... but instead you want to claim the only way someone would want to restructure the phrasing of the Second Amendment is to get rid of guns.

Not all, (now), but certain models.
And guns that, 'Look Like', them !
After-all, the, 'semi-auto', with a detachable clip,
was not aground in 1776.
It was only a functional Firearm, widely used for hunting,
for the past 120 YEARS !

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Don't know what you did, don't know what it was before and what changed.
Perhaps it was before my time here.



 It wasn't as I have brought it up multiple times in response to your posts.  Just like all the other activities I brought up.  

 
"Not all, (now), but certain models.
And guns that, 'Look Like', them !
After-all, the, 'semi-auto', with a detachable clip,
was not aground in 1776.
It was only a functional Firearm, widely used for hunting,
for the past 120 YEARS !
"


 So it is impossible to rephrase the Second Amendment in ways that can modernize, and strengthen it?  That makes no sense to me.

 If I propose:

"All firearms can be owned by legal US citizens without restriction.  This can not be altered in any way by any Government action."  

 That is a gun control measure?  
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Reply #27 - 12/04/20 at 09:02:04
 

"Then every news story that uses less than full length video does it to alter context"

 Incorrect.  One can edit to alter the timeframe but maintain context.

 If I video tape you saying:

"I love going to Wal-Mart but after the recent changes I will no longer be a customer."

 Then edit it to say:

"I love going to Wal-mart" AND include that you are no longer a customer due to changes by another medium I am editing and maintaining context.

 If I edit to say:  "I love going to Wal-mart"

 That clearly alters the context.  

 The NPR edit is an example of reporting the bad, but going overboard to make it seem worse.  So basically it's saying the news story not only leaves out the family photos, but edits it to make it seem like the burglar is also racist.
 
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Reply #28 - 12/04/20 at 10:28:23
 
I don’t view the NPR video like that and your characterization that this is typical is false. If so, I would imagine he would have paid out millions in settlements by now.
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Reply #29 - 12/04/20 at 12:00:55
 
 Not everyone is going to sue over PV videos, lack of lawsuits is not a strong assessment of accuracy.  I've been watching PV's and O'Keefe's footage and audio change for over a decade.  

 When you watch the short NPR video PV states that an Islamic group website says:

"the organization sought to spread the acceptance of sharia across the world."

 They then show Ron Schiller laughing and saying "Really, that's what they said?".

 That response was to a different event.  Why did it have to be edited that way?  We know why, but choose to justify it because Shiller is a dirt bag.  He wasn't reacting to that statement but the video leads us to believe he was.  That's out of context.

 After the Palestinian radio comment they cut out the "There is such a big firewall between funding and reporting.  Reporters will not be swayed in any way, shape or form." part of his response.  I think the immediate response holds more bearing to the conversation than choosing a response later and then editing it so it plays as if they were in sequence.

 Answers to questions were out of sequence.  To me that's altering the context.

 So, to me, just because I don't care for Schiller or NPR doesn't mean I am going to ignore that the responses shown are not the immediate responses to the questions or statements given.



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