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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8989 Minn Gender:	Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Reply #30 - 12/03/20 at 15:25:47 eau de sauvage wrote on 12/03/20 at 15:05:15: ... it pardons him agains crimes he has not been charged with ... And a pardon does not protect someone for committing further crimes after the pardon was issued, ... WOW, what a, Bat $hit Crazy Post ! LOLOL
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Reply #31 - 12/03/20 at 16:12:19 Flynn should never have been prosecuted. He only lied When he admitted to lying. The information is readily available. The only corruption here is the prosecution.
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Reply #32 - 12/03/20 at 18:02:48

@JoG,

No when he lied about lying, that was perjury, which is one of the things that Trump's pardon now protects him against. He was charged with lying to the FBI under oath which is a federal felony. Where he went wrong was lying in the first place because his crime was not really very serious, he could have just said, yeah I did that, my bad, and he would not have gotten into trouble. Problem is that he wasn't in the loop to know what he could say, so he just lied, not to protect himself, but just in case he needed to protect Trump.

However that is not what my post was about, it was pointing out that because Trump didn't just pardon him for what he was charged with but gave him a certificate with wide ranging pre emptive pardons for just about anything that he might possibly have committed or anything at all involving anything that may have come out of the Mueller probe. However that means, and this was my point, that means that he loses his fifth amemdmant rights and he can be called to testify in anything that his pardon now covers and he can be compelled to answer, because of the pardon.

Whereas before the pardon he could refuse to answer anything self incriminating, now not only can he be compelled to answer and possibly incriminate Trump, but that if he then lies, the pardon doesn't cover him because pardons only cover crimes committed before the pardon was issued.

This is just one of the problems that Trump finds himself in when he issues broad pardons. The only thing that can save him is if he separately pardons himself, and while it's never been tested, it is unlikely in the extreme that the Supreme court would put Trump above the law, or any future president for that matter.

Not only that but even Barr testified that it would be illegal to issue a pardon in order for Trump to protect someone from incriminating him.

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Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin?
Reply #33 - 12/03/20 at 19:28:41

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Reply #34 - 12/03/20 at 19:39:02

All you have done is post links to right wing fringe websites, not one respected source. It makes no difference what you say "people believe" Flynn himself pleaded guilty twice to lying to the FBI and that fact that he didn't need to lie is not the point. In many cases it's the cover up that is more serious than the crime, and the reason that lying to the FBI under oath is such a big deal is that if anyone could like to them without any consequences then the whole justice system breaks down.

He lied that he has no contacts with Kislyak while he was actually asking them to back down. I remember it at the time. He was sacked for lying to Pence as well. So that he lied is not in dispute. To try and pretend that it wasn't serious is just for people like you to keep you angry and justified.

But why are you trying to hammer that non point home. The real point is that his overbroad wide ranging pardon for crimes he hasn't even been charged with, should set the alarm bells going. Remember Flynn was working with the Turkish govt to try and abduct someone for Erdogan.

However the point is once again that his over broad pardon means he loses his 5th amendment protections. Meaning his pardon doesn't cover future lying that he can now be compelled to testify too.

But the real story is that he has no more 5th amendment protections, to protect Trump.

You need to read other news source instead of your fringe conspiracy sites. Try this just to get some balance occasionally.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/secrets-flynn-lied-conceal/...

And here are the transcripts that he lied about.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/director-national-intelligence-declassifies-flynn...

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8989 Minn Gender:	Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Reply #35 - 12/04/20 at 05:30:08 eau de sauvage wrote on 12/03/20 at 19:39:02: All you have done is post links to right wing fringe websites, not one respected source. ... WOW, what another, Bat $hit Crazy Post ! Where the Kettle calls the Pot black !
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Reply #36 - 12/04/20 at 05:31:59

All you have done is post links to right wing fringe websites, not one respected source.

Yea JOG, what’s wrong with you? Get a respectable news source like Jeff Zucker and his holy CNN correspondents. Shame on you JOG for looking elsewhere. No worries, Eau will put in a good word for you and make sure you get an extra sheet when you get to one of the camps.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8989 Minn Gender:	Re: When will the corrupt pardon storm begin? Reply #37 - 12/04/20 at 05:49:26 *" ... get an extra sheet when you get to one of the camps ... "* Is that the, 'camp', where one goes, if they decide to drive through Tucson AZ, From Phoenix to Tombstone On the Freeway, between 10PM and 5AM
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