The next few weeks are going to be like a British Airways Jet. When they turn the engines off, it's still whining.

I'm not on this side of SS.com often, but this is possibly one of the most civil discussions I've ever read on the Tall Table.  Kudos to most so far.  Let's keep it this way!  We can disagree without all of the venom, name calling and other childish crap.


 If only we had done this all along, maybe people wouldn't see value in pissing contests to run each other off.

Eegore wrote on 11/04/20 at 21:17:45:




Yeah.  It's why I avoid this particular bar.  I'm here for the bikes and cameraderie.  Check please!
Peace out, y'all.  Seriously, Peace.

No one on here is a f’ing racist white nationalist. That BS and people exactly like you is why we are where we are. You cannot shut down speech you don’t want to hear with labels.
Kamala Harris is an awful choice as a VP. She’s childlike in her wishful thinking. That’s not a racist or bigoted comment. People don’t get a pass on their behavior based on their gender or the color of her skin.

"It all started going bad when Trump won office, he made it OK to be an openly racist white nationalist."

 I agree with this, partially.  There are people that feel more empowered by having a vicarious connection to the POTUS, but that does not mean every pro-Trump citizen is automatically racist.  It's like the genius I know that started visiting his 77 year old grandfather with health issues without any precautions because "Trump proved it isn't lethal".  This guy is a moron, but not every Trump anti-social distancing guy is this dumb.

 The inability to acknowledge a grey area is a sign of argumentative/strategic weakness.  People can have ideas about culture, voting rights, about a President etc. and not be racist by definition.  But tossing out the racist label makes it super easy to dismiss their ideas and denigrate one's own communication to slander, childish remarks and similar.  

 At this point for a lot of people the racist/bigot label is used to justify one's own ignorance more so than having anything to do with race or gender.

WebsterMark wrote on 11/05/20 at 10:20:33:


More to the point, it became acceptable to identify with a racist narcissist.

See this article for an insight...https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/05/trump-narcissm-us-elect...


Narcissists see what they want to see. What makes Trump more unusual is that an astonishing number of people see what they want to see when they look at him.

It’s strangely apt that such a raging narcissist should function as a distorted mirror to so many, one in which they see their own fantasies reflected back at them.