Oh, be serious. Both of them are going to claim a lot of things in the next few days.

That genuinely was a serious question from Serowbot, I'd be interested in your answer too. Because 100% Trump has already confided in his people that he will declare victory on the night if for example Penn. has him in front which is very likely considering that the mailed votes won't be counted till later. He'll do this just to create more and more chaos.

So are you going along with his election night victory claim, if it happens or are you prepared to wait till the OFFICIAL tallies are in. Because unofficial tallies are also reported as votes are tallied, but the unofficial tallies are only provisional. Trump will surely create havoc if he can.

What's you stance on this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-electio...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/democrats-fear-trump-may-declare-vict...

My gut reaction tells me that the polls will have underestimated Biden's numbers, and it will in fact be a landslide Biden victory. So hopefully he won't even be able to use his 'election night declaration' strategy.

Biden will not claim victory without OFFICIAL results, where as Trump most certainly will continue to do what he has been doing for four years. Although it won't work he will try and do as much harm as he can in the hope that he'll get lucky and have contested ballots that matter.

It should be Mn going not you, because at least I can decipher your posts. I might hang my political commentating boots up anyway after the madness that has been this last four years is over. Because I already know what you guys are going to say anyway, I just have to do a quick squiz of fox or breitbart.

But the Trump show will not be over once he's out of office but it will good to see his greedy swampy family booted out with him.

I saw where Ohio has 10 days to count absentee ballots. Ohio has voted for the winning President something like 40 or 50 years in a row. 10 days is a long time for shenanigans......

WebsterMark wrote on 11/02/20 at 04:42:35:


Quite the opposite, what takes up a lot of time counting mail votes, is the process of certifying the signatures and the like. It's a hard argument to make for the Republicans when Trump appointed a political donor the corrupt Louis de Joy to slow down the mail. I think there's some sort of legal principle that you can't complain about something that you yourself caused to happen. Having said that, with the amount of votes this election it is highly unlikely that there'll be anything decided by late mail votes.

I'm still predicting a landslide for biden, close to 400,  and flipping the house to boot. The US and the world will breath a collective sigh of relief to this nightmare.

After a group of Republicans tried to have 127,000 votes thrown out because they were drive in, {WTF} and that lost in the court, then it lost in the all republican Supreme Court (State) then they took it to a Federal Court where a Bush appointed Judge threw it out, with the comment that he 'wasn't happy' but he has to apply the law! Er yes, that's what Judges are supposed to do.

WebsterMark wrote on 11/03/20 at 04:00:07:


I feel a little bad pointing out how ridiculous your prediction was but you deserve it.

eau de sauvage wrote on 11/04/20 at 21:56:03:


It was obvious you were never going to honor the agreement but I will. so stick your offer which was intended to appease your own guilt knowing you weren’t going to leave.

But let’s remember something, Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc don’t get to declare the winners so let’s wait. I knew Biden could never win without cheating, that was obvious.

Points below from WSJ Kim Strassel

1) I am legitimately interested/confused by this. I checked, and the top number is indeed Wisconsin's active registered voter number as of Nov. 1. The bottom is approx. what has been counted. That is a (not feasible) 89% turnout.

2) The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is claiming a 71% state turnout. I'm not sure where it gets this, but that would make more sense, given even populous Milwaukee didn't exceed 83% turnout, and Dane lower. (Do math on what rest of state wud need to bump up state avg to 89)
3) True, Wisconsin has same day voter registration. But to be at 71%, WI would have yesterday needed 900k same-day registrations. ( If I'm doing my math wrong--please tell me. 3,288,771 divided by 4,588,771 equals 71% . 4,588,771 minus 3,684,726 =900k)

4) Is that possible/conceivable? That would be akin to increasing WI's registered voting population by up to 30%--in one day. It would also suggest that if those same-day registrations hadn't happened, WI would have had a ridiculously LOW turnout.

5) I suppose it is possible WI's turnout was higher than 71% (again, not sure where MJS gets that). But that would be wild, given the state's own history and what we saw elsewhere yesterday. An even an 80% turnout would still require HUGE same-day registration.

6)Surely a record/tally of those same-day registrations must exist. It would therefore seem a straightforward proposition to set the numbers/record straight?
Again, explain if I'm missing something. @WI_Elections

7) So, more. I compared some vote totals to voter registration--by county. Nearly every county i've looked at so far--left and right--registered turnout of 89% or higher. (several at 93%) I suppose its possible--but still seems extraordinary.

8) I think high voter turnout is great, and if WI truly did this, wow. I only question it because it is so strikingly at odds with any other state.

9)One thing that makes more sense is if MSP number of 71% if referring to voting-eligible population (rather than registered voters). But still, wow--89% turnout of registered voters.

 How can you say it's Trump's fault and also say he could only lose by Biden cheating?

 Aren't those mutually exclusive?  

 Trump won.  It is impossible that the US voted for Biden by majority/electoral college outcome.

 Or:

 Trump lost.  His behavior outweighed his actions in too many people's eyes, or those voters are ignorant SNL/late night comedy watchers.

The bet is off.