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Reply #15 - 08/30/20 at 11:21:14
 
It is a fact that black people have been disadvantaged and persecuted because of racism for centuries.
Taking steps to correct that must take race into account.

If you've spent your life hating cats and want to make amends... you must make those amends to cats.
Making amends to dogs won't work.
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Reply #16 - 08/30/20 at 12:05:03
 

 Well for me, making any decision based off of race does not make one "racist".  If I choose a Black American to discuss Black History month, and an Italian American to discuss Columbus Day, I do not feel I am racist.  Saying the Black American is better at talking about Black History month than the Italian American because he is black, that would be more racist.  Saying the Italian American can do all things better that the Black American because white guys are smarter is racist.

 "Racism" to me, matches more closely to the dictionary:

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

 Specifically the terms, "discrimination, and "antagonism" lend itself to the more accurate end of a "racist" decision.  I believe racism is negative, not neutral.
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Reply #17 - 08/30/20 at 12:10:30
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/20 at 10:53:56:
"... A vote against Obama is not racist ..."  

Absolutely agree.

YET, people that talked against him in 07/08  
because they believed he was not the right person,
and by 11/12 they KNEW he was not fit.
Were called: "RACIST",  LEFT AND RIGHT.

When you say:
"... How is such a simple thing so hard to understand? ... "
I don't know.

Exactly WHY is it that, EVERY time one says BLM supporters are not furthering the case of less prejudices, by Stealing and Destroying,
They are called a RACIST, (Or a Hitler) ?

Exactly WHY is it that, Every time someone says they don't believe a grossly overweight man marching down a street, wearing only a pink thong, is the best way to show support for LBGJQURST rights.
They are called a HOMOPHOBIC, (Or a Hitler) ?

Exactly WHY is it that, Every time someone says they believe Ilhan Omar does not have the interests of the USA as a priority.
They are called ISLAMOPHOBIA, (Or a Hitler) ?

Exactly WHY is it that, Every time someone says they believe AOC is Really Ignorant.
They are called MISOGYNIST, (Or a Hitler) ?

\And on and on it goes/

YET, when someone calls the POTUS, 'Orange', 'Small Hands',  'Stupid", 'Dishonest",
It is exercising the 1st Amendment.

Again:
"... How is such a simple thing so hard to understand? ... "





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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: change my mind
Reply #18 - 08/30/20 at 12:19:59
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/20 at 11:21:14:
It is a fact that black people have been disadvantaged and persecuted because of racism for centuries.
Taking steps to correct that must take race into account.




Taking steps to correct that must take GUILT into account.

Why is it that folks who have not participated in that persecution and discrimination must be required to make "amends" because the color of their skin is NOT black.?

Sorry. Not going to play that game.




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Reply #19 - 08/30/20 at 12:21:02
 
[quote author=485E49544C59544F3B0 link=1598738803/15#15 date=1598811674]It is a fact that black people have been disadvantaged and persecuted because of racism for centuries.
Taking steps to correct that must take race into account.

Fine,, if youve been mistreating people,, by all means, make amends.
I havent..Never understood racism or sexism, confused me from childhood on..
Someone is cool,, Im good with them,, Pink with purple polka dots, I dont care,,
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Reply #20 - 08/30/20 at 12:23:30
 
Ohh,, and I appreciate the involvement by everyone.. Thank You so much..
I want to understand thenhows and whys of others here.
This is looking like a fruitful effort.I hope others come on in..
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Reply #21 - 08/30/20 at 15:17:03
 
oldNslow wrote on 08/30/20 at 12:19:59:
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/20 at 11:21:14:
It is a fact that black people have been disadvantaged and persecuted because of racism for centuries.
Taking steps to correct that must take race into account.




Taking steps to correct that must take GUILT into account.

Why is it that folks who have not participated in that persecution and discrimination must be required to make "amends" because the color of their skin is NOT black.?

Sorry. Not going to play that game.


Don't confuse guilt with resentment.
I don't feel guilt over slavery...
You shouldn't either.
Perhaps you guilt over resentment.
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Reply #22 - 08/30/20 at 16:48:23
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/20 at 15:17:03:
oldNslow wrote on 08/30/20 at 12:19:59:
Serowbot wrote on 08/30/20 at 11:21:14:
It is a fact that black people have been disadvantaged and persecuted because of racism for centuries.
Taking steps to correct that must take race into account.




Taking steps to correct that must take GUILT into account.

Why is it that folks who have not participated in that persecution and discrimination must be required to make "amends" because the color of their skin is NOT black.?

Sorry. Not going to play that game.


Don't confuse guilt with resentment.
I don't feel guilt over slavery...
You shouldn't either.
Perhaps you guilt over resentment.


"Perhaps you guilt over resentment."

I'm not sure what that sentence means.

I feel no guilt about slavery. Why should I ? It was done away with in this country long before I was born. Nor do I feel any guilt about the plight, real or imagined of blacks in general in the US, or of any particular black person, because I have not contributed in any way to the problem, either collectively, or in the case of any particular individual.

Are you implying  that I'm am responsible and should be held responsible simply because I am of white European ancestry ?

That implication I do resent, and reject as absolute nonsense.






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