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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #165 - 03/22/21 at 13:20:04
 

https://www.pcgamer.com/intels-rocket-lake-is-looking-red-hotfor-all-the-wron...

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off...

Intel's Rocket Lake is looking red hot... for all the wrong reasons
By Jeremy Laird January 29, 2021

Intel’s stopgap 14nm swansong runs hot and hungry.

The top Intel Rocket Lake CPU runs at a red hot 98 degrees C and guzzles 250 watts. So says a post on Chiphell, which details the top Core i9 11900K model running a full stress test.

The chip was reported running at 4.8GHz all-core, which aligns with the best currently available information on what remains an unannounced, if imminent, new processor. The last of the 14nm line before Intel finally switches its desktop CPUs to 10nm.

The latest leak from motherboard maker MSI indicates the Core i9-11900K will run at 3.5GHz base clock, 5.1GHz Turbo, 5.2GHz Boost Max 3.0, and 5.3GHz Thermal Velocity Boost. That’s modern CPUs for you. There’s no such thing as a simple answer to the question of how fast they run.

Anyway, if 98 degrees and 250W sounds bad, the chip was reportedly running a full stress test rather than real-world apps. Intel’s existing Comet Lake equivalent, the Core i9 10900K, has been recorded at 93 degrees and 235W running a stress test. Thus, Rocket Lake flirting with the 100 degree barrier wouldn’t be entirely unprecedented.

That said, the Core i7-10900K is a 10-core chip, where the upcoming Rocket Lake 11900K will pack just eight processor cores. If it does turn out Rocket Lake runs hot and hungry fingers will be pointed at its origins as a 10nm architecture that has since been backported to 14nm silicon on account of Intel’s failure to get the 10nm up and running reliably.

With Intel publicly stating that it still plans to ramp production of its 10nm Alder Lake CPUs in the second half of this year, it may end up not mattering much whether Rocket Lake runs at all, let alone hot. But at best the backported Rocket Lake feels like a stopgap CPU rather than the chip to turn Intel’s fortunes around.


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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off...  has now published the items that the Intel NonDisclosure permits them to publish.   A strong smell of fish is in the air over Rocket Lake as only two items out of the list show to be an improvement at all, the rest are regressions at varying levels.

Save your money and keep your old Intel chipset   -----  Rocket Lake only offers some mild very specious improvement numbers so far.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0_UcBxnpk

"A waste of sand" ????     Nothing advantageous at all ?????    No meaningful difference?

It is being questioned by this guy that Intel is simply pushing an intentional nothing burger hidden under the very very laggy non-disclosure period to let them get this garbage firmly out into the retail channel before the dirty secret gets out.

Intel is trusting that "chipset shortages worldwide" will see these turkeys sold anyway.


And Intel is likely right about that .........
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Reply #166 - 03/23/21 at 10:04:44
 

OK, the big guns won't say a word until Intel releases the embargo on Rocket Lake.   Silence remains for another couple of weeks according to embargo rules.

The little guns say "Hey, you shipped the stuff out to the public and I bought mine at a retail outlet, so embargo smargo to you, Intel".


https://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-11900k-rocket-lake-desktop-cpu-benchmarks-...

Intel Core i9-11900K Rocket Lake Desktop CPU Also Tested Against AMD Ryzen 7 5700G & Ryzen 7 5800X, Unimpressive Gaming Performance

It is a long article, basically saying the Intel AI tweeks either work for that test or the CPU simply sux on that particular aspect.

Extreme hyperclocking is seen from Intel, and pointed questions are asked about if the standard fan and fin coolers are even being appropriate for Rocket Lake use at all.   CPU BIOS Level Throttling is extreme and very very quick to arrive.

Some of the standard tests done simply didn't pan out at all vs Intel's marketing claims --- the most egregious being the poor gaming results.   Nowhere was a 10-20% advantage found for Intel, ever.   Actually, Intel never showed ANY advantage at all, really.    

Intel's cherry picking of their shipped to the reviewers units really shows here, badly.   These are run of the mill as shipped to the public units, and they suck.



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Reply #167 - 03/23/21 at 15:13:13
 

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210323005981/en/Intel-CEO-Pat-Gelsin...

Intel outlines 7nm “Meteor Lake” chip timeline, plans for first-party and third-party fabs

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger says it’s on track to tape out its first 7nm “Meteor Lake” chip in the second quarter of 2021, but they won’t actually ship until 2023.

SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Today, Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger outlined the company’s path forward to manufacture, design and deliver leadership products and create long-term value for stakeholders. During the company’s global “Intel Unleashed: Engineering the Future” webcast, Gelsinger shared his vision for “IDM 2.0,” a major evolution of Intel’s integrated device manufacturing (IDM) model. Gelsinger announced significant manufacturing expansion plans, starting with an estimated $20 billion investment to build two new factories (or “fabs”) in Arizona. He also announced Intel’s plans to become a major provider of foundry capacity in the U.S. and Europe to serve customers globally.

“We are setting a course for a new era of innovation and product leadership at Intel,” said Gelsinger. “Intel is the only company with the depth and breadth of software, silicon and platforms, packaging, and process with at-scale manufacturing customers can depend on for their next-generation innovations. IDM 2.0 is an elegant strategy that only Intel can deliver – and it’s a winning formula. We will use it to design the best products and manufacture them in the best way possible for every category we compete in.”

IDM 2.0 represents the combination of three components that will enable the company to drive sustained technology and product leadership:

1.    Intel’s global, internal factory network for at-scale manufacturing is a key competitive advantage that enables product optimization, improved economics and supply resilience. Today, Gelsinger re-affirmed the company’s expectation to continue manufacturing the majority of its products internally. The company’s 7nm development is progressing well, driven by increased use of extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) in a rearchitected, simplified process flow. Intel expects to tape in the compute tile for its first 7nm client CPU (code-named “Meteor Lake”) in the second quarter of this year. In addition to process innovation, Intel’s leadership in packaging technology is an important differentiator that enables the combination of multiple IPs or “tiles” to deliver uniquely tailored products that meet diverse customer requirements in a world of pervasive computing.

2.    Expanded use of third-party foundry capacity. Intel expects to build on its existing relationships with third-party foundries, which today manufacture a range of Intel technology – from communications and connectivity to graphics and chipsets. Gelsinger said he expects Intel’s engagement with third-party foundries to grow and to include manufacturing for a range of modular tiles on advanced process technologies, including products at the core of Intel’s computing offerings for both client and data center segments beginning in 2023. This will provide the increased flexibility and scale needed to optimize Intel’s roadmaps for cost, performance, schedule and supply, giving the company a unique competitive advantage.

3.    Building a world-class foundry business, Intel Foundry Services. Intel announced plans to become a major provider of U.S.- and Europe-based foundry capacity to serve the incredible global demand for semiconductor manufacturing.

To deliver this vision, Intel is establishing a new standalone business unit, Intel Foundry Services (IFS), led by semiconductor industry veteran Dr. Randhir Thakur, who will report directly to Gelsinger. IFS will be differentiated from other foundry offerings with a combination of leading-edge process technology and packaging, committed capacity in the U.S. and Europe, and a world-class IP portfolio for customers, including x86 cores as well as ARM and RISC-V ecosystem IPs. Gelsinger noted that Intel’s foundry plans have already received strong enthusiasm and statements of support from across the industry.


To accelerate Intel’s IDM 2.0 strategy, Gelsinger announced a significant expansion of Intel’s manufacturing capacity, beginning with plans for two new fabs in Arizona, located at the company’s Ocotillo campus. These fabs will support the increasing requirements of Intel’s current products and customers, as well as provide committed capacity for foundry customers.

This build-out represents an investment of approximately $20 billion, which is expected to create over 3,000 permanent high-tech, high-wage jobs; over 3,000 construction jobs; and approximately 15,000 local long-term jobs. Today, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo participated with Intel executives in the announcement. Gelsinger commented: “We are excited to be partnering with the state of Arizona and the Biden administration on incentives that spur this type of domestic investment.” Intel expects to accelerate capital investments beyond Arizona, and Gelsinger said he plans to announce the next phase of capacity expansions in the U.S., Europe and other global locations within the year.

Intel plans to engage the technology ecosystem and industry partners to deliver on its IDM 2.0 vision. To that end, Intel and IBM today announced plans for an important research collaboration focused on creating next-generation logic and packaging technologies. For more than 50 years, the two companies have shared a deep commitment to scientific research, world-class engineering and a focus on bringing advanced semiconductor technologies to market. These foundational technologies will help unleash the potential of data and advanced computation to create immense economic value.



OK, as everybody else leaves 7nm going down to 5nm Intel just now announces a 3 year plan to GET TO DIRECT BURN EUV 7nm by the end of 2023.

Intel will arrive at the same time the rest of the world is going down to 3nm ........

Gelsinger's hand is out now and now his hand is deeply embedded in Joe Biden's wallet pocket, starting out with lifting a cool 20 billion dollars FOR NOTHING.

This is stupid money spent wastefully, as Intel and IBM never had a clue about how to successfully do 7nm, much less 5nm or 3nm.

If the plan was to have TSMC or Samsung build them a turn key plant and park some TSMC and Samsung associates in it to help Intel run it, it could be said to make some sense.

This is just plain old fashioned stupid meaningless political pork barrel spending .......




Gelsinger is a smart man, he realizes that he needs to skip over 7nm and 5nm and drop on down to 3nm to get back into the swing of things.

However, Gelsinger leads a company that is sorely lacking skills in the lower nanometer ranges.   Gelsinger needs to go headhunting, aggressively, for new much better talent and he needs to give these smart newer engineers the 20 billion he just lifted out of Biden's wallet.

There are many many ways in which Intel can fail in these big grandiose plans.   An issue Intel has is that they have NO history of making a lasting partnership with anybody -- Intel instead has a LONG LONG history of screwing over their partners.   I am surprised IBM would even have them back since IBM is one of the first major major screw jobs that Intel did to a partner.

As far as Intel becoming a Fab ---- Intel has been there and failed at it twice previously.  
AS A FAB SIPPLIER, Intel never delivered anything both on time and on price, plus if production was tight Intel would always make their own stuff for themselves first.   If you think Intel has changed their tune on building stuff for their customers first, you are DELUDED, badly self-deluded.  

Biden has just spent 20 billion so INTEL can modernize and increase their internal production outputs.
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Reply #168 - 03/24/21 at 10:03:40
 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off...

More Rocket Lake reviews are posted, and they are not good.



Performance gains range from mediocre to non-existent, and in the worst cases it's actually slower than Skylake, overall it's still slower vs the 5800X despite consuming significantly more power.

Interestingly, it also has higher core-to-core latency and a worse performing L3 cache compared to Skylake.



Mind you, these reviewers actually got their chipsets from open & free EU STANDARD RETAIL CHANNELS, which shows just how badly Intel had worked to cherry picked the better working samples that Intel had sent out to the main review houses for their reviews.

Now you understand why Lisa Su had told the boys and girls last time to just go buy an AMD chipset of the last 5000 series grouping at random out of the retail stream.   Lisa Su did not want AMD to play in this presorted Intel BS samples sandbox at all.
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Reply #169 - 03/24/21 at 20:50:07
 

Re-listening to Gelsinger's presentation for a third time, I am struck by just how closely he plans to copy Lisa Su and AMD's chiplet approach to chipmaking.

This is the iconic Intel technology stealing method which can be stated as "copy & collaborate, assimilate, modify and then patent the most current Intel in-house modifications by which action Intel assumes functional control of the combined technology that they did not invent".

Intel did this to IBM at the start of the PC era, they did it later to APPLE with the Steve Jobs visits, they have done it to Micron over 3DXpoint and now again to AMD Chiplet tech (most recently and most egregiously) as well.

Godzilla lives again.   Gelsinger remembers very well how Godzilla works and he is using these old Godzilla methods as his business model.

Following a classic cut and build strategy, Bob Swan had done all the cutting (all the way down to ground zero) and Gelsinger is now using Biden's incentive money to build a brand new Intel from Bob Swan's leftover ashes up.   Gelsinger has a good vision laid out clearly in his head and he is taking steps to make it all come together.

Scariest yet, Gelsinger is a good enough engineer and an enthusiastic enough salesman to make it all work .......
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Reply #170 - 03/30/21 at 21:24:04
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/03/lilbits-rocket-lake-s-piunara-raspberry-pi-cm4...

You can buy a desktop (or even a laptop) computer with an Intel Rocket Lake-S processor starting today. But should you? The first round of reviews are in, and it seems like Intel managed to pull off some sorts of "occasional" performance gains in single-core performance despite sticking with 14nm.

But depending on what you’re asking your computer to do, you might actually get better performance from a previous-gen Intel processor.

And of course, there’s always AMD, whose Ryzen chips have been killing it over the past few years.


AMD continues to outperform 14nm Intel processors and the existing 10nm Intel processors across the board.



When AMD goes 5nm look to see even greater AMD gains over all of Intel's offerings.

All the chatter about Intel suing AMD got chopped off cold, suddenly, so something has happened.   Intel might have gotten asked by the FCC did they really not remember the terms of the last judgement the FCC rendered against Intel, giving VIA and AMD rights to 32 bit x86 forever?  

AND,  INTEL IS NOW ADVERTISING THAT THEY WILL SELL A 64 bit x86 LICENSE NOW TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BUY ONE, so what exactly the heck was Intel suing AMD over again?   "Acting in bad faith" can mean falsely suing over A while trying to get B & C in the settlement, this is one current interpretation of "bad faith".

So now Intel wants to peddle AMD's 64 bit x86 tech like they owned it?   And this was after saying they were going to cut AMD off from 32 bit 286 generation Intel x86 tech just last week?

Intel's lawyers got some stupid directions to go after some stupid things from Bob Swan .......  very very self destructive things no less.


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Intel's Embargo is over, last BIOS updates have dropped from all the major board vendors.   the Rocket Lake roll ups are coming in, and it does not look good for Rocket Lake in the main gaming section.





So, how does Intel move forward?

They have lowered the cost of their products as far as they can and are making massive amounts of them, so Intel now has superior pricing and an ample supply of chipsets right now.

AMD has the higher prices and somewhat shaky supply lines through TSMC, but AMD is much preferred by hobby PC builders right now.

The big "pre-built box peddling" stores seem to belong to Intel right now, as does Dell, Lenovo and HP.

Intel will shower you with slightly lowered prices and lots of "admittedly it isn't really so great and it runs really really hot" products for the rest of this year.

Intel is making progress, just at a third the rate AMD and Apple and the ARM boys are doing.  Speaking of ARM, the next generation of ARM will be BIG, LITTLE and LARGE COMPUTER cores, three separate levels of ARM cores each aimed at their separate niches.  

Intel will get dozens of extra competitors for their market share .......

When the testing houses roll their overall processor performance rankings and pricing rankings I will post them.

Next up in about 7 months we will have AMD 5nm product introductions.   We already know 5nm chiplets have been shipped and AMD is working on assembling their first trial finished products for evaluation, so we should be seeing some performance leaks soon.

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Re: AMD & others --- post AMD dominance in 202
Reply #171 - 03/31/21 at 12:53:29
 

The internet reviewers are being MERCILESS, Intel Gen 11 is pure Intel puppy poo --- scrape it off your shoe soles and then go wash your shoes real good.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=intel+gen+11+a+waste+of+sand

Jest pull it up and LOOK at the LONG list of pan reviews from all over the web.


Shocked


....... and yes you really can boil a cup of tea off the excessive processor heat Intel produces while not running near as good as AMD does  .......



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INTEL REACTS to the bad press .......   by ignoring Rocket Lake completely now and starting up heavy on the rumor cycle on it's next "great thing" which is due in the first half of next year.

Intel has birthed a turd, notice how Intel actively hid the late pregnancy and the deformed birth behind a LONG LONG LONG embargo period.   Now the deformed baby turd is going for a secret adoption in Switzerland and will never be spoken of again.

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Reply #172 - 04/01/21 at 15:09:25
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/04/amd-ryzen-5000g-cezanne-desktop-processor-deta...



As spotted by @momomo_us, there are multiple pages on HP’s international websites mentioning the new Ryzen 5000G Cezanne chips. I suspect some of those links to disappear, but for now it seems pretty clear that AMD’s new desktop processor lineup will include these three models:

Model      Cores/Threads      Base Freq      Max Freq      L3 cache      TDP
Ryzen 7 5700G      8/16      3.8 GHz      4.6 GHz      16MB      65W
Ryzen 5 5600G      6/12      3.9 GHz      4.4 GHz      16MB      65W
Ryzen 3 5300G      4/8        4 GHz          4.2 GHz       8MB      65W

These new chips all feature the same Radeon Vega graphics as their Ryzen 4000G predecessors, but the new models have twice as much L3 cache and higher base and boost CPU frequencies. More importantly, thanks to their new Zen 3 CPU cores, they should bring a boost in IPC (instructions per cycle), which means that even running at the same speed, they should be about 19-percent faster than previous-gen chips.

Able to consume up to 65 watts, they should also be able to outperform their laptop counterparts like the 15-watt Ryzen 5000U and 45-watt Ryzen 5000H series processors, while still offering a more energy-efficient design than AMD’s Ryzen 5000 “Vermeer” desktop chips which also use Zen 3 CPU cores, but which have TDPs up to 105 watts and which do not include integrated graphics.


I seem to detect a pattern where Intel seems wants to compare itself to THE WRONG AMD PRODUCT CLASS in order to create a cheap "victory for Intel".

This is explained partially by the fact that Intel draws over twice the watts of power to do a given job compared to "an equivalent" AMD product.   And the core counts don't match up either.   We have seen Intel reach back in time to use data from obsoleted AMD products trying to do a match up head to head that actually did happen to have a core count match up.

Plus, AMD is always changing and getting better at the chiplet level ---- so when Intel does try to develop a comparison set up to prove they are better then the AMD part referred to likely gets improved again before the running late Intel competitor can actually make it to the starting gate.


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AND THIS IS NOT EVEN INTO THE NEW 5nm BASED NEW GEN AMD PRODUCTS YET ..........

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Reply #173 - 04/02/21 at 10:54:26
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/04/report-googles-whitechapel-processor-will-powe...

Google and Samsung start building custom Google ARM phone processors on Samsung lithography equipment.




We first saw reports that Google was developing its own custom processors about a year ago, but there hasn’t been much news since then.

Now 9to5Google says it’s reviewed “documentation” that confirms the Pixel 6 phone will have a Whitechapel processor when it ships this fall. Other details include references with something code-named “Slider” which may be another name for the system-on-a-chip and which also apparently confirms that Google is working with Samsung to develop its new processor, since other Slider-related projects include references to Samsung Exynos processors.

There are references to two phones, code-named “Raven” and “Oriole,” one of which will most likely be called the Pixel 6, while the other may be a more affordable model like last year’s Pixel 4a 5G.

It’s unclear at this point what, if any, advantages the new GS101 processor will offer over Qualcomm’s latest chips. But by developing its own processors in-house (even with assistance from Samsung), Google will have more control over the features of the chips used in its smartphones and other products. And that could help Google ensure that hardware and software work together efficiently to offer improved performance, much the way Apple does with its chips for iPhones, iPads, and more recently Macs.
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Reply #174 - 04/02/21 at 17:37:20
 
 
https://www.windowscentral.com/intel-12th-gen-chip-details-leak-online



What you need to know

Leaked slides detail Intel's 12th Gen upcoming Alder Lake-S CPUs.

The CPUs offer 20% better single-thread performance and double multi-thread performance over their predecessors ........  is this actually the same 20% we were promised but we didn't get with Rocket Lake?

The Alder Lake-S processors should launch in the second half of this year.

Details about Intel's upcoming Alder Lake-S processors have leaked online. A report by VideoCardz shares slides detailing Intel's 12th Gen CPUs.

According to the report, Intel claims 20% single-thread performance improvement on its Golden Cove core design. The Alder Lake processors will also allegedly be twice as fast in multi-threaded workloads. The slide mentions Intel's new Gracemont cores alongside the improved multi-thread improvements. VideoCardz points out that it's not known if these improvements are in comparison to Intel's Rocket Lake or Tiger Lake processors ........  is this actually the same 20% we were promised but we didn't get with Rocket Lake?

The Alder Lake CPUs feature Intel Hybrid Technology with small high-efficiency cores and big high-performance cores.

The Alder Lake CPUs will support PCIe Gen 5 and Gen 4 as well as DDR5 and DDR4. On the mobile CPU side of things, the Alder Lake processors support LPDDR4 and LPDDR5. A separate report from VideoCardz reveals that the Alder Lake chips will support LPDDR5X.

VideoCardz also shared details about the Intel 600 series chipset. The desktop CPUs will support dual-channel DDR5-4800 memory. Motherboards that are DDR-4 capable will support up to 3200 MHz modules, while high-end Z690 motherboards will offer DDR5 support, according to the report.

The CPU will support PCI Gen 5 and have 16 PCI Gen5 capable lanes. It will also have 4 PCI Gen4 lanes.



This is a set of 10nm big little cores "done Intel style" presentation.  The very first set of big little that were sent out for samples did not impress anybody and the Rocket Lake back-port was pulled forward to distract us all from Intel's past 10nm mistakes.  

The back-ported 10 to 14nm Rocket Lake design really was a "waste of sand" beyond just acting as a distraction.   So the 14nm distraction flopped strongly, so here is the 10nm main event served up again only delayed a half a year so it could finish cooking some more up on the range top.

Wink      Intel has actually picked up on their pace a bit, two-three abysmal failures inside one calendar year is twice the "accomplishment rate" Intel has done previously.       Wink

Intel seems to be committing to 4 threads per core future now, so Microsoft needs to finish writing it into their OS system code for Intel to be able to use it.   AMD has already done this trick for AMD's 5nm Zen 4 generation, so it is time for MS's Windows OS to catch up to the new reality of 4 threads per core.

Intel is now talking about using new nomenclature for their chipset feature sizes.   Intel wants to call their stuff 5nm and 3nm just like TSMC does, whether it is or isn't, or if it acts like it is or not,  either one.  Whatever little meaning you could take from Intel's product names, part numbers and descriptions gets even weaker still, accordingly.

AMD, however, is really in reality going down to TSMC 5nm and Intel simply cannot stand getting left behind at 10nm yet again ......

Take a close look at all the components tacked on the back of the chipset in between the pins  --  Intel big-little apparently takes two full sets of these components (one for big, the other for little) to make it work right.  

Tongue             Looks like Intel Gen 12 will require a new motherboard and a bigger processor socket.            Tongue


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Reply #175 - 04/04/21 at 23:16:12
 

Now for the taking of the deep breath and doing the "considered retrospection" of things in general.


I find I don't like playing computer games nearly as much as I used to.    

My reflexes are slower now and my finger accuracy on whatever controller system I use has declined greatly.   My right hand little finger likes to jam in the curled position now and the knuckle and first finger joint on my right hand little finger requires manual intervention from my left hand to get it un-clenched and popped back into working correctly.   I would jam up several times on a level and get tend to get killed because of it, so that did get kinda old pretty quick.

Since I am not a PC gamer any longer, I find my 15 year old used Dell office box still works just fine for all I do with it.    Running Linux Mint Mate is still quick and smooth, so that is good too.

Can't shoot, can't game ........ but I can still grow me some tomatoes though.


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Following tech world is still fun, especially since Intel has a competent leader again and Intel is gonna try to actually COMPETE again.

And yes, I do realize that Intel will still carefully complete every program that was started by Gelsinger's predecessors (some of which originated back 7 years or more ago).   Intel is Intel, and every thing I have called a "distraction" or a "placeholder" recently was intended to be groundbreaking back when it was actually begun.

"Overcome by events" is a phrase that does apply here, I think.   The times caught up with the Intel plans and rendered them passe' before they were even executed for the first time.   We are on try #2 and try #3 on some of these Intel plans, with some very mixed final "improvement levels" being seen.


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Intel's proposed 10nm Mainframe and home workstation chipsets have now had samples sent out and the benchmarks are popping up all over the place.   Results are disappointing to say the least.

10nm Intel (whichever name or flavor you want to talk about) does not compete well at all against the current Ryzen 5000 generation which has also been RELEASED and has been fully benchmarked.

Intel is now selling and can supply a volume of chipsets that are "close to competitive" to the previous Ryzen generations.  In some use cases, if you can't buy a current AMD you are actually better off performance-wise to keep your old Intel chipset for a few more years, then buy the current best AMD you can afford.  

Rule of thumb, if the new processor has fewer cores than what you have now, you should stick with what you've got now.   COUNT THE CORES OF WHAT IS ON THE TABLE BEFORE PLUNKING DOWN YOUR MONEY ........

In all cases, MAKE THE EFFORT TO GET THE BIOS UPDATE FOR YOUR CURRENT MOTHERBOARD as the AI improvements that are built into that BIOS update are worth more in % performance improvement than that new 10nm Intel chipset will actually give you.

THE DEMAND FOR NEW UNITS IS SO HIGH ALL OF AMD'S OUTPUT FOR THIS YEAR IS ALREADY ORDERED AND IS ALREADY SOLD.  All the recent AMD wafer increases from TSMC were soaked up instantly.  Very quickly the same thing will be true of the #2 choice, Intel.    Demand levels are insane and are not likely to decrease for the rest of this year.

Chromebooks as a "fill in the slack" option will see another very good year.

Intel has dropped their prices some and Intel is working hard to move out as much old "previous generation" warehouse inventory as they possibly can move in this unusual seller's market.

Once again, if you can wait, do so.   If your machine is old, and you do not game much you really don't need a new machine.   If you use a spinning platter hard drive, your very best bang for the buck is subbing in a modern cheap SSD drive as your boot drive.

5nm AMD Genoa and the Intel response to that that set of processors are coming, and will raise the bar ~30-40%~ in absolute performance

(all AI boosts are included in this general figure).
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Reply #176 - 04/10/21 at 04:58:56
 

Why wait until next year to buy a new PC?


AMD is stepping down to 5nm and Intel is stepping down to 10nm and starting to use TSMC 6nm (built at TSMC, not Intel).    This is assuming TSMC wishes to support a competitor fab company called Intel Foundry Services .....  a brand new competitor who has just announced their plans to take TSMC's business away from them.

Don't think TSMC isn't smart enough to listen to AMD and to sell that 6nm wafer volume to AMD instead of to Intel .......

Throughput improvements next year will be 30-40% roughly speaking, with PCIe at gen 4 and gen 5 (depending on when you buy it).   4 threads per core SMT will be available.   8-16 data channels will be available.   Memory speeds and throughput will double.   AI will be more capable and more accepted in OS and programs in general.

Core counts from Epyc mainframe chipsets will roll down into upper level workstation chipsets, upper level workstation will edge down into homeowner PC ranges.  All of this will be driven by the MUCH SMALLER and much faster and more efficient 5nm chiplets

AMD and Xilinx will have completed their merger by next year and several new conjoined technologies will become available for the first time in consumer PCs.

More competition will be available to drive more progress in an even faster manner, with ARM PC chipsets, Apple chipsets and new Intel made at TSMC chipsets ......

What you buy next year will be that much better than what you can buy today.  Cheaper, too.

Nothing available right now from Intel tests to be much better than the Intel you already own -- hunt up the BIOS updates for your motherboard and install them to get over 50% of the real world benefits of a new Intel machine (you get all the AI tricks in other words).

Note please how drastic the improvements have been since Ryzen came upon the scene.   Intel had kept everybody parked at a 4 core product for over 10 years at that point in time.





More on the ongoing struggle to find more AMD chiplet wafers .......

As you view the chart above, realize that AMD has already sold all of what they can make with their scheduled 7nm TSMC chiplet wafer supply.   As such, AMD is seeking MORE WAFERS OF CHIPLETS and has told TSMC to either provide these additional wafers of chiplets or the contractual second source clauses will have to come into effect.

It is rumored that TSMC has already bumped AMD's 5nm allocation as high as they can and has told AMD that if AMD wants any more wafers they will have to come from the new 6nm process lines that the old TSMC 7nm lines are being converted to as we speak.

Now we will see the TRUE FLEXIBILITY offered by the AMD chiplet production system.   AMD already has 6nm completed processor designs on tap and once the actual 6nm chiplets get made, tested and binned AMD can then select which products will be best able to use them.

All of the 7nm layouts can take a 6nm chiplet with a little room to spare (folks argue that 7nm++ is actually a near to 6nm to begin with) and AMD can certainly maximize this short notice chiplet change very easily with their existing processor designs.

Next, AMD has a flow of new products coming on that can be adapted specifically to use these new 6nm chiplets once they actually can get them in larger volumes.

Lastly, Intel has already announced they are going to TOTALLY SHRED the whole 10-7-6-5-3 nano-meter nomenclature thing inside the next 6 months, calling their 10nm product the Intel 6nm or 5nm or 3nm depending on just how much they want to lie about it.  

AMD's minor 7nm++ to 6nm cheat is indeed a very minor sin compared to Intel's contemplated goings on.

AMD simply needs much greater wafer output numbers to continue taking more of the 50%+ market share graph zone away from Intel.
TSMC wants to keep that AMD business intact and they had long promised AMD to be able to make enough wafers of AMD chiplets to do just that.

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Reply #177 - 04/11/21 at 04:13:53
 

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-roadmap-ryzen-6000-zen-3-apus-rdna-2-gpu-ddr5

Leaked AMD Roadmap Forecasts Ryzen 6000 Zen 3+ APUs With RDNA 2 GPU And DDR5 Support

Confirmation of the rumor that AMD will go for Zen3+ generation using TSMC 6nm processes while still working with 5nm and 7nm units "as available" remembering always that AMD always needs MORE AND MORE AND MORE WAFERS OF CHIPLETS, and AMD needs them very badly so AMD can continue taking more and more market share away from Intel.

A rumor that refuses to go away is that AMD will be refreshing its current-generation Zen 3 processor lineup with a new Zen 3+ stack. Apparently this will happen across the board, and not just on the desktop. Serving as further evidence of such is a newly leaked roadmap that points to an upcoming lineup of laptop APUs based on Zen 3+, with support for new features.

What you are looking at below are laptop APUs broken down into 4 different segments, including high power (HP, 45W), low power (LP, 15W), ultra low power (ULP, 9W), and extreme low power (ULP, 4.5W). If the roadmap is accurate, a Ryzen 6000 series will debut next year, with DDR5 and LPDDR5 support in tow, and beefier onboard graphics.

For what it's worth, well known leaker @kopite7kimi commented on the roadmap saying, "Someone told me this is true." It is certainly plausible, as well as a little bit exciting—moving on from Vega to Navi 2 for graphics chores could result in some interesting and powerful designs, both in the laptop space and in the mini PC department.


Right click on the graphic and view it in a new tab to see it all at once, or else slide it over so the relevant Rembrandt-U areas are visible.

As TSMC rolls their existing  EUV direct burn 7nm++ lines over into EUV direct burn 6nm this rolling refurbishment is forcing a natural evolution of the Ryzen Gen 5 product line.






PC SHIPMENTS ARE UP 55% ALREADY YEAR ON YEAR, and last year was a strong one to use as your base line.    The company (and their supply chain) that can ship more product right now wins, in other words.  



Intel has proven to everybody it does not  have to be particularly great stuff that Intel is shipping, Intel just has to have it available to ship it right now.

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Reply #178 - 04/12/21 at 15:44:38
 

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-cpu-for-giant-ai-and-high...

MEET GRACE, INVIDIA'S COMBINED TECH ARM SUPERCHIP DAUGHERBOARD ARRANGEMENT

84 ARM Compute units pared with an Nvidia superchip for AI, learning and graphics.



This is the sort of stuff you would see NVIDIA making if they were allowed to actually take control of ARM Holdings.   Lots of Crushed Competition lying in the gutter, in other words, with NVIDIA wearing the One Ring and ruling over all of the world.

GEAR UP, AMD   THIS IS WHO YOU ARE COMPETING AGAINST NOW

YOU NO LONGER HAVE A COMFORTABLE LEAD AGAINST "BARELY BEGINNING TO MOVE AND NOT REALLY TRYING VERY HARD" INTEL, YOU ARE BEHIND THE 8 BALL AGAIN AGAINST A VERY FAST MOVING AND HARD HITTING ARM-NVIDIA.



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Reply #179 - 04/16/21 at 10:21:45
 

https://liliputing.com/2021/04/chinese-chip-maker-loongson-has-designed-its-o...

Chinese chip maker Loongson has designed its own CPU instruction set architecture (ISA)



Chinese chip maker Loongson used to make processors based on MIPS architecture, but MIPS isn’t what it used to be and the company that developed the technology has even pivoted to making chips using the RISC-V instruction set.

Now Loongson is trying something new: rather than adopt RISC-V, ARM, or x86 architecture, the company has developed its own ISA (instruction set architecture) called LoongArch.

The move makes a certain kind of sense in the current political climate. With the United States in the habit of hitting Chinese companies like Huawei and Xiaomi with trade restrictions, it could be risky for Loongson to adopt architecture that relies on contributions from Western companies.

Building its own ISA gives Loongson more control over the technology used by its future chips which could be better for the company’s long-term prospects. is no simple undertaking But designing a new ISA from scratch and it’s unclear how competitive the first-gen LoongArch chips will be.

Loongson says it’s already taped out the first of its next-gen processors, the Loongson 3A5000, which should be available later this year so we may not have long to wait to find out how they compare to previous-gen Loongson chips based on MIPS architecture as well as competitors based on other ISAs such as x86, ARM, or RISC-V.


I betcha they copied chunks of MIPS and chunks of Linux and chunks of DSB and cobbled it all up together.    Mostly MIPS though as China has some residual legal rights to that OS currently as they owned it several years ago and wrote themselves a perpetual license that still remains.

Intel and AMD and MS will be slightly injured by the lost market share when the Chinese Gov. requires all Chinese business to use this home grown OS kludge up job.    This has happened before and it only lasted a year or so before repeated ongoing compatibility issues killed the national sanctioned Chinese clone OS system.

Back and forth license and patent violation suits will follow later on going both ways, of course.  

If anyone cares enough to do so that is ........        Roll Eyes       Failure to sue means you are giving away your IP to Communist China, which is not a good idea because your will see it in their hands --- forever.
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