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Reply #45 - 07/20/20 at 04:16:32
 
Eegore wrote on 07/19/20 at 20:05:50:
"Ya know, that is common knowledge."

 Then why are you posting the common cold can provide a false positive SARS-COV-2 viral test issue?

 If you know antibody tests aren't showing current SARS-COV-2 infections due to common knowledge why would you reference that image that clearly indicates an antibody test?  What am I missing?


Maybe the fact that the CDC has already admitted that they have been conflating positive antigen and antibody tests? Treating a positive in either kind of test as a "case"

Calling a positive antibody test, which only proves that someone was, at some point, exposed to the virus, and developed  antibodies. Which is the normal immune response when ones body detects a foreign invader. In this case the a SARS virus.


Eposed. Not necessarily either sick or infectious. Counting a positive antibody test as a "case" is at best inaccurate, and at worst deliberately misleading.

Not to mention that a lot of the antibody tests have been shown to be significantly less than accurate.

Which of those two possibilities is the actual situation? I'll leave it up to you guys to argue about that,

Based on the level of bullsh*t that's being spread around by the official manure spreaders and their lackeys in the media, I'm  pretty sure I know what I think.

 
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Reply #46 - 07/20/20 at 05:07:34
 

 But the CDC isn't "reporting" this, they are disclosing how they collect data for their own use.

 I'm sure plenty are "reporting" these as positive cases.  This goes back to the whole if I say something and "the media" misrepresents it, I am the liar?  Since Trump knows people misrepresent his Twitter feed he is a liar.  Not the "news" that misrepresents it.


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Reply #47 - 07/20/20 at 06:26:51
 
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 I'm sure plenty are "reporting" these as positive cases.


Exactly. The number of positive cases being being "reported" is not the true number. It's a lie.

I don't care who you want to blame for the lie. The lie itself is what is important, Talk about the implications of that.

This is exactly the same as when the New York Times publishes a front page story with banner headlines that is patently untrue, based on "undisclosed high ranking sources" and the electronic media repeats the story every hour on the hour until the story is debunked.

Then the times issues a 3/4 column  inch correction buried in the middle of the paper where no one look, and the bobblhead media doesn't mention the retraction at all. They just stop talking about it or, worse, keep repeating the storyas though the retraction never happened.

The damage is done. Millions of people believe the original untrue story to be fact and almost no one sees that it is not.

That happens far to often to be an accident.



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Reply #48 - 07/20/20 at 09:54:25
 
"Exactly. The number of positive cases being being "reported" is not the true number. It's a lie."

 Yes but not by the CDC.  They are being transparent about data collection methods.



"I don't care who you want to blame for the lie. The lie itself is what is important, Talk about the implications of that."

 You don't find it at all important to establish that the lies are not from the source?  So if Trump makes a statement and the NY Times makes up lies about it, you do not care about what Trump actually said?  Only the implications are important?




"The damage is done. Millions of people believe the original untrue story to be fact and almost no one sees that it is not.

That happens far to often to be an accident."



 I agree, but I don't think the "news" is 100% to blame.  50% of any information I get, and utilize is because of me.  I am always half of that problem.
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Reply #49 - 07/20/20 at 11:55:29
 
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You don't find it at all important to establish that the lies are not from the source?


I know the source. It just doesn't make any difference any more. It's too late.

The source of the lie is the CDC. The only thing they have been "transparent" about is that their data is not accurate. If they hadn't been questioned about it they wouldn't have been transparent.

Then the press jumped on the bad data, exaggerated and sensationalized it.

The implications of that are that the data - inaccurate, and the press reporting of that data is being used to justify public policy decisions. Contradictory decisions. Because most policy makers know that the data is no good, so they just wing it based on their own political calulations of what's best for them.

So now we have a situation where disease statistics are being treated like a sporting event in some quarters. It's the COVID Olympics. Which country has the best numbers, which one has the worst. Who is going to kill the most because of their response to the virus? Trump or the democrats? Red states or blue states. Capitalist countries or Socialist ones. Place your bets. Rah,Rah, Rah for the home team.

We know where the lie came from, and we know why. We know whose team the CDC is on.

cui bono.







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Reply #50 - 07/20/20 at 12:43:39
 
"If they hadn't been questioned about it that wouldn't have happened."

 This is inaccurate.  They provided these procedures prior to any press inquiries about SARS-COV-2, some of them are a decade old.  The antibody information is updated to say "COVID 19", but the overall procedure was used for other events, and have been public the entire time.  


"We know where the lie came from, and we know why. We know whose team the CDC is on."

 Again the CDC is a liar because politicians and "the media" misrepresent the procedures being used.  Most of which have been used for decades.

 So by this logic if I publicly post online how I clean a carburetor, and then my neighbor lies to you and says I clean it with Lysol... I am a liar.
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