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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Obamagate Reply #15 - 05/14/20 at 15:17:33 And where does Samantha powers become a valid requestor? And WHY was Flynn unmasked? Once it was determined it was Flynn, who had legitimate reasons for conversations with his counterpart, under investigation? It's Bullshit, honest people know it.
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Reply #16 - 05/14/20 at 15:36:17

I could give you plenty of links to all this but then you'd just question the accuracy. So why don't you just go straight to the source where all the links get the information they publish.

https://www.dni.gov/files/CLPT/documents/2019_ASTR_for_CY2018.pdf

There's the actual govt document. In that pdf you can find all the information you need to know unless you like being a chump.

In it they answer all your questions like 'why was Flynn unmasked'. The answer to that is that Flynn was not unmasked, an unnamed US citizen was unmasked. No one knows who these unknown US citizens are because they are 'masked'. They only find out it's Flynn afterwards, and Obama advised Trump not to hire him, then Flynn lied to Pence. Seriously to think Flynn should be allowed to lie to the VP and the FBI then you'd have to wonder why there'd be any laws at all.

The information is only released on a "need to know" basis. For example if a US citizen was collaterally intercepted during listening into the Russian ambassador discussing circumventing US govt policy, that would most definitely be a need to know.

Here's two excerpts from the above report...

It would have been easier to just give you the link to the NYT article but then you question it because it's not one of your conspiracy theory websites. So above is the actual govt pdf.

Seriously 17,000 granted requests last year by the Trump administration. It's not news, it's a perfectly normal occurrence, and it shows how thoroughly manipulated you are. Not that but you'll take all the bs on board without question. You don't bother with any news that offers you an alternative world view. And what's worse you don't even care, you are the gold standard for Trump's unquestioning base. Chump.

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Reply #17 - 05/14/20 at 15:47:10

Flynn is not a bad guy, he's just a greedy mercenary fcuk who's only interest is getting paid, whether from Russia, or from Erdogan who Flynn was also working for. And he'll lie to anyone for money. Pretty fcuking sad for a US General. Even more pathetic is that because Russia knew he was lying to the VP, that makes Flynn open to being blackmailed by Russia. This is the main concern that the security arms of govt have with mercenaries like Flynn. If he was not unmasked then he'd get deeper and deeper into serious blackmail territory and he's the security advisor to the US. The reason Trump gave for sacking him was precisely because he lied to the VP.

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Reply #18 - 05/16/20 at 19:54:40

'It eats him alive inside': Trump's latest attack shows endless obsession with Obama

Ben Rhodes, a former Obama national security aide, tweeted this week: “Trump’s fact-free fixation on Obama dating back to birtherism is so absurd and stupid that it would be comic if it wasn’t so tragic.”

Tara Setmayer, a former Republican communications director on Capitol Hill, said: “Donald Trump always needs a foil. This riles up his base because they cling to anything that diverges responsibility for anything from Donald Trump over to someone else. And in this case Barack Obama is the boogeyman of the month.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/16/trump-obama-obsession-coronav...

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Reply #19 - 05/17/20 at 05:08:39

We all know nobody is going to read the actual documentation used in court because it will contain information we don't want to hear.

Cut apart sections of that report, take it out of context, cite losing cases as precedent and hope nobody notices, then get back to us with information we want to hear.

But by no means expect us to read the actual documentation we are discussing.

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Reply #20 - 05/17/20 at 09:36:25

After 3 yrs of investigating crap, the democraps have found evidence - of their own corruption. LOL.

Its like when a cop writes you a ticket, you get to ask and check his radar calibrations etc etc. That's how it works - accuse someone of a crime, and you need to make sure that charge is completely clean in all aspects of how it was arrived at.

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Reply #21 - 05/17/20 at 10:29:46

srinath wrote on 05/17/20 at 09:36:25:
"... Its like when a cop writes you a ticket, you get to ask and check his radar calibrations etc etc. That's how it works ...".

The very VAST, MAJOR MAJORITY of drivers do not know that.

Just like when a Gov says:
Stay at Home.
Close your Business.
Do not put a motor on your boat when you put it in the water.
Do not go to a PUBLIC Park.
Do not go to a PUBLIC Beach of a Ocean.
(On and On and ON)

Then allows, ‘SOME’ people to do those very things, and not others.
And says people who do not, ‘OBEY’, the illegal orders are NOT, Patriots.

And says; ‘We are all in this together’, while he/she get the Same amount of money, (from YOUR Tax dollars), and you are wondering where your next nickel is coming from because he/she, ‘Ordered’ your business/livelihood, ‘Shut Down’.

Yes, many drivers just pay the ticket, because they know they were speeding.
A very significant number of people, are penalized by someone compensating from a small, ‘thingy’ !
And they DON”T KNOW, that, ‘ticket’, just can’t be made up.
Another slip down that slope.

The C-19,
(Yes Virginia it is a real virus, and people would have done the correct thing, without destroying this Nations Economy)
Is a Huge slip down the slope.
And a study in: "Just how far, can FEAR lead Shepol"

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Reply #22 - 05/17/20 at 13:23:10

What part of the Stay at Home orders are illegal?

As in the specifics of actual law(s) not this "Unconstitutional" nonsense by selecting out of context quotes from cases while leaving out the parts we don't like.

Anyone can just say the words "illegal'" but none of that works in court. What part of public safety ordinance, law, statute needs changed?

Everyone I've seen that says they can't be told they can not run their business have not been successful in keeping them open. What case law can they use to take that to court?

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Reply #23 - 05/17/20 at 14:53:58

Eegore wrote on 05/17/20 at 13:23:10:

What part of the Stay at Home orders are illegal?

Here is a idea;

You prove, that a arbitrary 'order' as to which business, person, event, can or cannot be/happen.
Is a Constitutional order. NOT JUST A 'WHIM'.

You prove, that it is Constitutional, that a Gov of a state can, 'order' things, which are one way for some, and another way for others.

You prove that it is Constitutional that, 'Buddies', can do what ever they want. While people who are not, 'Buddies', have to obey, 'orders' !

You prove it is Constitutional that a Governor can, sig, the AG on a person.
"... received a phone call Friday from Attorney General Keith Ellison who allegedly told him that if he opens his doors, the state will fine him $25,000 per location, per occurrence, with no maximum amount of fines per day ..."
https://knsiradio.com/news/local-news/shadys-bar-and-restaurant-wont-open-monday

What part of the Stay at Home orders are illegal?

You prove, they ARE !

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Reply #24 - 05/17/20 at 15:23:49

"You prove, they ARE !"

You mean by citing, again, all of the information publically available that have years of documentation and legal application?

No problem:

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/mass-quarantine-lockdown-explainer/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/264

The state of emergency can affect your rights because states have used emergency declarations to close or restrict the hours of private businesses, close schools and public buildings, and enforce curfews for citizens. Precedence from a case that won:

Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health The Supreme Court, by a vote of 7-2, approved that order as constitutional.

The Constitution gives states the power to police citizens for the health, safety and welfare of those within its borders. Each State's statutes categorized in detail:

https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes....

Of course all of these are claimed illegal, but nobody will reference how. You can't just look at written, and applied, and upheld law and say "Nope - illegal" and expect to get anywhere. You can't say "arbitrary" and magically make it so when written law says those orders can exist.

Saying the words "It's illegal" means nothing. Where's the substance to that argument? How do people who use real law and not forum complaining use your claim that this is illegal?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Obamagate Reply #25 - 05/17/20 at 15:51:17 Yeah, Quarantine,, for WHAT?? Show me how horrible it is. They ABSOLUTELY chose to Not consider the asymptomatic when calling it CV,, And Ive sen deaths so completely NOT CV , attributed to CV, We are being lied to and Herded like stupid sheep.. You believe what you want. Demand proof of what is in plain sight,, Go ahead..
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Reply #26 - 05/17/20 at 15:52:41

I'm asking what portions of current written law are not legal?

The orders given are, when actually read, citing law. Written, enacted, used in the past, law.

What part of that is illegal?

"You believe what you want"

I believe what I see. I literally see the medical wings, I go into them, I went to China, I saw the dump-trucks of bats. I see the metadata of cellphone activity and where the infection rates are. I just came back from DC. I see the metrics, and I can replicate the numbers.

I've already told you I am not even aware of models with the crazy numbers you claim, unless I'm on some website where they won't disclose their methods.

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Reply #27 - 05/17/20 at 16:34:48

Eegore wrote on 05/17/20 at 15:23:49:

You mean by citing, again, all of the information publically available that have years of documentation and legal

First, the words, May, Shall, Probably, Could, are prevalent.
Just like writing the word, 'Substantial', in a contract, with no description of what that word means.

Then the absurd rulings of some of the Govs, who have applied their, 'wanna be', Dictatorship is very apparent. Which does not follow the guidelines of preventing the wantonly infecting, or preventing widespread infecting of others. Of which their has been no cases.
(Well unless you look at Calf, were one who has AIDS can Knowingly and Wantonly Infect others. And instead of being a Felony, with a Minimum of a year in Jail. It is reduced to a misdemeanor)

Are those, 'rules' pertinent ?
Sure, in a serious event.
Which C-19, started that way, because no one knew.

Then it became a big time money maker, for a very few.
And now, it's a bad Flu, to be added to the list of others.

With the exposing of the State Health services, CDC, WHO, And companies that 'only' say one drug can work, (because they have the patent on it). The jig is up.

And the Lawsuits will abound.

Saying that old statutes are relevant to a, 'buddy/buddy, pick and choose' mentality, would be akin to saying the 2nd, means only muzzle loading flintlocks.
(Oh Wait, their ARE some that say it is)

The point. We did not know, we did things, which at the time, we, thought were correct.
Now, we all know better.
So the motors can be put back on the boats.
And when a AG, THREATENS, the Lawyers will be stepping in big time.

LOL, 'Robot Overlords" LOL

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Reply #28 - 05/17/20 at 16:44:56

"First, the words, May, Shall, Probably, Could, are prevalent.
Just like writing the word, 'Substantial', in a contract, with no description of what that word means."

They are also upheld in court. How are they illegal?

"Which does not follow the guidelines of preventing the wantonly infecting, or preventing widespread infecting of others. Of which their has been no cases."

How are they not following "the guidelines"? What specific guidelines are you referring to? What lines, on what documents? What portions of what law are they violating?

How is it illegal?

I for one find it hard to believe there are "no cases" as in zero cases where SARS-COV-2 was spread from one human to another. All those nursing homes never happened?

"With the exposing of the State Health services, CDC, WHO, And companies that 'only' say one drug can work, (because they have the patent on it). The jig is up."

Can you reference this? I'm not aware of the CDC/WHO saying conclusively that only one drug can work. I am however aware of them saying the opposite.

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Reply #29 - 05/17/20 at 18:33:32

Eegore wrote on 05/17/20 at 16:44:56:

They are also upheld in court.

Sure they are, in cases where their is a Judge like Judge Moyé.
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/05/05/coronavirus-in-texas-salon-a-la-mode-owne...

How are they illegal?
I truly hope you are never on the other side of a good Lawyer arguing the point.

How are they not following "the guidelines"?

Several publicized cases, even in the UL News, have been outlined.
Do believe their are several thousand throughout the USA that are not publicized.

That's OK, You don't believe any of your Freedom has been violated.
So just sit back and accept what is being done.

I on the other hand, will stand up for my Rights,
and not allow a Socialist, to dictate.

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