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Reply #15 - 04/24/20 at 17:53:42
 
A prepaid phone will solve that problem.  What kids are you referring to?

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Reply #16 - 04/24/20 at 18:11:45
 

I'm not exactly sure a pre-paid phone will work, unless you mean a cash purchased phone with data already on it?  That, to me, is a burner but I prefer ones that take one-time use cards.

 I am referring to children that are systematically raped and killed by repeat offenders that sell the footage.  It takes a particular type of personality to know the locations of people distributing footage of a 9-year old being gang-raped for several months and keep that information private for the sake of national security.

 I just don't find a lot of people that can view footage like that and not "leak" some information to local authorities.  Given the outrageous amount of human trafficking in the US this seems to me like a an awful lot of people are ok with letting kids be forcefully assaulted for years.

 But it is also not my direct field of work.  I have cross trained with psychologists that work interrogation in the field and there's a lot out there I am not familiar with when it comes to psychological preparation for high-trauma work.

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Reply #17 - 04/24/20 at 19:50:16
 
MnSpring wrote on 04/23/20 at 18:46:34:
...mobile phone app that will track their movements..."


ROLF, it's called Android.
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Reply #18 - 04/25/20 at 05:12:43
 
Eegore wrote on 04/24/20 at 18:11:45:
 I am referring to children that are systematically raped and killed by repeat offenders that sell the footage.  It takes a particular type of personality to know the locations of people distributing footage of a 9-year old being gang-raped for several months and keep that information private for the sake of national security.

 I just don't find a lot of people that can view footage like that and not "leak" some information to local authorities.  Given the outrageous amount of human trafficking in the US this seems to me like a an awful lot of people are ok with letting kids be forcefully assaulted for years.
 



That is a bit of thread drift, and I don't dispute any of this is happening.  Moreover this is evidenced by Epstein and his kronies, Ghislaine is still on the street.  

It would be more appropriate to start a new thread.  Why do you feel it is much more rampant than the media portays?  The last time someone tried to come forward was the pizzagate ordeal.

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Reply #19 - 04/25/20 at 08:23:55
 
"Why do you feel it is much more rampant than the media portays?"

 I don't. But I also don't use "the media" as a source of reliable information.  Maybe I am understanding your question incorrectly.

 My point was if the NSA knows who everyone is, and where they are at all times, they let thousands of children live in sexual slavery a day in the US, and that's just child sexual abuse.  Adding in adults, the NSA is watching an awful lot of active murderers and serial rapists do their thing.

 It takes a particular type of human psychology to watch children be gang-raped and do nothing about it.  This is why I don't necessarily think that the NSA has absolute knowledge of all of our locations and actions.  Like the drone footage in the video, I do not think the NSA "knows" who each of those people are based off of that drone data.
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Reply #20 - 04/25/20 at 10:34:57
 
Eegore wrote on 04/25/20 at 08:23:55:
 My point was if the NSA knows who everyone is, and where they are at all times, they let thousands of children live in sexual slavery a day in the US, and that's just child sexual abuse.  Adding in adults, the NSA is watching an awful lot of active murderers and serial rapists do their thing.



Well we do not want them to violate our constitutional rights do we....  Anyway, their stated goals are national security.  Regardless, since when do those people give a rats ass about the people?  Excluding present company if that happens to be the case.

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Reply #21 - 04/25/20 at 11:05:16
 
"Regardless, since when do those people give a rats ass about the people?"

 I've worked alongside DHS, NSA people for a while now and I haven't personally been exposed to a large group of complete sociopaths.  

 My experience is it is hard, really hard, to find a group of people willing to watch children being systematically raped and sold, and be ok with that.  I've never really gotten a clear answer regarding why an entire organization is silent when a child goes missing, as in the value of keeping the fact that they know where we all are and what we are doing 24/7 secret.

 If they have that level of containment, why aren't they using that skill set to disclose locations of systematically abused children through anonymous channels?  Why not a note dropped off at a fire-station near a child porn studio?  Too risky?  Better to let those children be filmed in forced sex acts for years then killed than let someone in on the big "we know where you are" secret?  It's not like all the people involved are millionaires, just look on YouTube, thousands of regular guys with regular jobs are downloading child pron, and going out trying to get kids.

 I'm not clear on what the actual advantage is.
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Reply #22 - 04/25/20 at 13:40:18
 
Eegore wrote on 04/24/20 at 18:11:45:
 I am referring to children that are systematically raped and killed by repeat offenders that sell the footage.   

Guessing the “films’,  have all the people in them, (except the victim), well hidden.
The NSA, FBI, etc,  KNOW, who the people that are responsible, are.
Because they are well hidden, use code, change places/codes/operations/etc frequently,
the NSA/FBI/Etc, can not PROVE, who did it.

It it the SAME laws, that protect firearms owners/users from the, (currently), ‘red laws’.
One can not PROVE, that Joe Blow is a danger to himself or others because he has a gun,
just on the say so of one person, who he never called after a one night stand 25 years ago.
Or a nasty divorce where one says; “That person is Crazy and Needs to be in a Mental Hospital”.
Or a disgruntled employe/customer saying: "That person sells Drugs under the counter in the hardware store”,
“that person sells Booze/Tobacco all the time to underage”
A Person does not need to be a historian to know,
“That Person is a Witch”,
did NOT work well.

This is a PERFECT example of, “Give up a Freedom, for Security” !

Where Jane Doe, cannot point at John Doe, and say:
”That is a bad man, take his Gun Away”
With no, PROOF.

Where sufficient proof is/can be gathered.
The porn/snuf makers, are held accountable.
Just as the, (street), Drug Dealers and their handlers.

This statement:
“It takes a particular type of human psychology to watch children be gang-raped and do nothing about it”
Sounds like a prelude to;
Raise Outrage, for the goal of removing a freedom,
for the sake of security !


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Reply #23 - 04/25/20 at 13:40:43
 
Eegore wrote on 04/25/20 at 11:05:16:
 If they have that level of containment, why aren't they using that skill set to disclose locations of systematically abused children through anonymous channels?


1)  It is not the mission of the organization
2)  Stated goals are national security
3)  They don't want to give the perception they are really spying and       cataloging information on all of us
4)  They simply don't care
5)  It is against protocol to disseminate secure information
6)  The want to give the perception they are not operating a total police state

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Reply #24 - 04/25/20 at 18:02:19
 
Eegore wrote on 04/25/20 at 11:05:16:
"Regardless, since when do those people give a rats ass about the people?"

    I've worked alongside DHS, NSA people for a while now and I haven't personally been exposed to a large group of complete sociopaths.  






I've been to the DMV and I can assure you when you're on the other side of the bubble - they're beyond sociopaths.
I live between 2 cops - fantastic as neighbors - and there is a 3rd one who is an audiophile friend - and no, I do not want to interact with any of these either when I am not on the same side of the fence as they are.
I also work with a lot of other people who are perfectly fine once you're part of the clan - not when you're an outsider.

Maybe its time to call them other things besides sociopath - Governmentopath ??? bureaupath ??? Take your pick. Its not a character flaw, its a systemic flaw. However you want to call it - perfectly fine people who just turn to chit once they're badged up into gubbamint.

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Reply #25 - 04/25/20 at 18:17:09
 
Eegore wrote on 04/25/20 at 11:05:16:
" ...  I've worked alongside DHS, NSA people for a while now and I haven't personally been exposed to a large group of complete sociopaths...."

Then clearly, you, have been, exposed to a 'small',
" ...group of complete sociopaths...."

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Reply #26 - 04/25/20 at 19:06:44
 
"This statement:
“It takes a particular type of human psychology to watch children be gang-raped and do nothing about it”
Sounds like a prelude to;
Raise Outrage, for the goal of removing a freedom,
for the sake of security !"


 Not what I am talking about.  PG indicates that the NSA knows who every human in the US is, and where they are.  

 If this is true, what you speak of is already done, they already know and do not need Red laws.

 What I am saying is I don't see enough evidence to say that thousands of people working in DHS and NSA know where every illegal immigrant is, every murderer, every child rapist, and they let them roam free.
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Reply #27 - 04/25/20 at 19:15:32
 
"1)  It is not the mission of the organization
2)  Stated goals are national security
3)  They don't want to give the perception they are really spying and       cataloging information on all of us
4)  They simply don't care
5)  It is against protocol to disseminate secure information
6)  The want to give the perception they are not operating a total police state"




 Not one employee, including those fired, or incarcerated thought it would be a good idea in their defense to blow the whistle on the "We know where every murderer, illegal immigrant and child rapist is."?

 How does letting people rape and kill children protect our national interests?

 I can't say for sure any more than you can.  I don't know how many NSA briefings you have attended, I don't know how many people you have sat down with and watched children being systematically raped and killed with, but in my limited experience not one indicated to me that they are ok with it.

 The other thing is if this is a complete police state, why is there so much bullsh!t going on?  We can't let anyone know we know at all times their exact location, so lets just let all this extortion and hacking happen to our own organization.
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Reply #28 - 04/26/20 at 06:25:40
 
Eegore wrote on 04/25/20 at 19:15:32:
"... Not one employee, ... "

Forgot to spin 3 & 5
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Reply #29 - 04/26/20 at 07:00:28
 

"Forgot to spin 3 & 5"

 I don't have any issue with 3 and 5.  Just because someone assess a topic different than you doesn't make it "spin", it means they have a different opinion.

 I also didn't comment on 1.

 My point is I don't see how allowing every illegal immigrant and every serial child rapist roam free is national security.
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