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Reply #60 - 04/13/20 at 06:50:05
 
jcstokes wrote on 04/12/20 at 22:18:52:
Since I've just done oil and filter change for the first time, do any of you techies have a sequence for replacing the cover bolts?


I always just hold the filter cover snug to the case with my left hand, and with my right, turn in the bolts somewhat evenly until they are all as tight as I can get with my finger tips, making sure that the cover visually looks even. I then use the allen-socket to tighten them more by hand as much as I can (just the socket, no handle), then attach the torque wrench and go around turning each maybe 1/4 turn until I reach torque.  I'm probably overdoing it, but I am very careful and don't want to strip out an aluminum case bolt!

I think the real key here is holding the cover snug with your hand while turning in the bolts, and not letting the cover push itself out against the bolts where it can get itself crooked.
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Reply #61 - 04/13/20 at 07:45:35
 
        I second what Stew said,  it might help to use a small  dab of grease on the base of the spring inside the cover to hold it in place as you put in on, you should feel only the spring tension ,easily held by your one hand.
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Reply #62 - 04/13/20 at 12:53:52
 
Thanks for that info. I did use some grease mainly to keep the oring in place.
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Reply #63 - 04/16/20 at 12:13:30
 
Guys, I found a photo that I had forgotten I took on my cell that I snapped  after the side of the filter cover got blown off....(The size of the blown off piece was about that of a silver dollar.  The rest of the filter cover and  fasteners were intact, as was the filter still in the cavity.)

To my embarrassment and yet, to my relief, I saw that I had installed the filter backwards.  Thus the "problem" was my own fault.

Thank you for bearing with me through this drama of my own making.  
And again, thank you for your many suggestions and tips.  

I will not be going to inquire about a room in the memory care unit of a nearby nursing home.  (You will one day be in your eighties too)

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Reply #64 - 04/16/20 at 12:41:05
 
While I'm sure you are not happy that it went together incorrectly, I'm sure it feels a lot better knowing it was a known mechanical issue rather than some random event.

darn I hope to be in my 80's one day. Smiley
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Reply #65 - 04/16/20 at 13:41:50
 
This is not a heads up, but I feel certain the "old age" is not for sissies.
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Reply #66 - 04/16/20 at 14:39:19
 
No harm, no foul...

As Gary said, the fact it is a known versus an unknown is a blessing.  You're safely riding now and that's what matters  Shocked
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Reply #67 - 04/17/20 at 07:01:17
 
...and we learned something new too.  You can drive 200 miles with a filter in backwards. I think we assumed the impending explosion was rather immediate, but now we know it isn't  Wink

See Bob...you taught us kiddos something new.  Cool
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Reply #68 - 04/17/20 at 12:39:52
 
200 miles with filter installed backwards???  That is impressive.  Shocked
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Reply #69 - 04/17/20 at 16:16:19
 
DragBikeMike wrote on 04/17/20 at 12:39:52:
200 miles with filter installed backwards???  That is impressive.  Shocked



Thing is, the spring was cockeyed and I think this caused the filter to be skewed when I pushed it in and fastened the filter cover down...

The 200 miles of "good" riding is impressive to me too.

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Reply #70 - 04/18/20 at 02:32:30
 
Bob thats an easily made mistake and has been done by all accounts many times before.   Thank you for clearing that mystery up.
   I learned something too that the oil flows the opposite way to what I assumed at first blush
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Reply #71 - 04/18/20 at 05:16:54
 
Bokobob wrote on 04/17/20 at 16:16:19:
DragBikeMike wrote on 04/17/20 at 12:39:52:
200 miles with filter installed backwards???  That is impressive.  Shocked



Thing is, the spring was cockeyed and I think this caused the filter to be skewed when I pushed it in and fastened the filter cover down...

The 200 miles of "good" riding is impressive to me too.




On this bike - as well as a few others I have opened up - a Yamaha xs650 is another one - all the bearings in the bottom end are ball bearings. They can live with splashed up oil. Your one and only pressure lubricated bearing on this bike is the cam shaft, and the xs had ball bearings there as well.
For giggles you could check and see if that has a higher than the range of plastiguage/mic gap. If it was higher, something like lucas oil additive or a thicker than the 10W40 recommended may cover your extra gap for decades to come. Or better yet, you could take out the cam shaft and take it to one of those Nascar people who coat it with a moly Teflon coating. That will take up a little extra room and most importantly it takes up oil and holds it. Therefore you never have a dry start on the bike for the only bearing that cares.
In all honesty, if you ran the bike in 1 continuous 200 mile ride you'd have likely killed that bearing. But if you did it over 10-20 rides, you'd not even have scratched the surface.

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Reply #72 - 04/18/20 at 06:26:03
 
Srinath, thank you for your analysis.  Alas, I am totally brain dead on wrenching and thus will not be tearing into the engine to do the measurements you suggest.  Nor would I rely upon my dealer's mechanic to accomplish anything like you mentioned...
For your information, the 200 miles of riding with the filter installed backwards was spread across four or five rides.  

As long as it keeps running I am not inclined to be concerned.  

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Reply #73 - 04/18/20 at 07:08:58
 
You didn't damage anything I'm sure.
At next valve check see if you can stick your fingers through and see if the camshaft can move - I'll bet it doesn't - and that pretty much should tell you its not really bad.
Run 20W50 if you prefer - it usually doesn't hurt anything anyway.
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Reply #74 - 04/18/20 at 07:23:03
 
srinath wrote on 04/18/20 at 07:08:58:
Run 20W50 if you prefer - it usually doesn't hurt anything anyway.
Srinath.


The popular forum opinion from us old guys - is the 20W-50 is a bit too thick for the Savage (unless you are riding in 100 degree weather).

The thicker oil does reduce the amount of oil flowing, and Verslagen's tests showed the engine runs hotter with 20W-50 than it does with 10W-40.

Stick with the Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 that you have in the bike.
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