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Reply #15 - 04/09/20 at 06:52:15
 
The end of the filter with the 5/8" hole in it goes toward the crankcase over the little round spigot cast into the crankcase. The small o ring fits over that spigot between the filter and the crankcase.

The side of the filter that faces the cover is closed. The spring fits in the recess on that end of the filter and presses up against the cover to keep the filter pushed onto the crankcase spigot when everything is buttoned up.

If the filter is installed backwards the hole from the crankcase is blocked and oil cant flow into the center of the filter and out through the pleats into the cavity created by the cover.
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Reply #16 - 04/09/20 at 06:54:31
 
Bokobob wrote on 04/09/20 at 06:01:30:
Dumb question:  if when I get the replacement side filter cover installed, might it be staying on the safe side to not put in a new filter initially?  If I do that and am brave/dumb enough to try to start bike that way and it runs ok, then after a few days riding, I could change the oil again and add a brand new filter.  


The good news is, your engine is not ruined. However, running without the filter could do that...don't run it without a filter. It's part of the oil "system" and I'm not sure how the excess flow /pressure would react.

Follow the instructions on this forum closely for installing the filter and cover. It should not be difficult. If it is, that's a red flag to stop what you are doing and check fitment of the filter and spring.

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Reply #17 - 04/09/20 at 07:53:48
 
Bob,
I think my old parts engine is still closed up on the oil cover. If it is, I will open it up tonight and snap some current pics for you on these parts, the order, and what NOT to do. It is super easy to get the filter swapped 180 if you turn your head away for a second.
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Reply #18 - 04/09/20 at 12:59:07
 
When you're checking the oil level in the little window, is the bike on the sidestand or is it upright?
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Reply #19 - 04/09/20 at 16:13:55
 
Bokobob wrote on 04/09/20 at 06:01:30:
Meanwhile, my other thumper (1996) is in the shop getting new rear tire/tube installed and will be rideable once done.  (I did install a new filter in the 1996 bike when I changed the oil to motorcycle specific oil a couple of months ago when I bought it.  )

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Where are you doing that ? My firnds at Gaston Motorcycle shop ???
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Reply #20 - 04/09/20 at 17:12:36
 
More thanks to all.  
I hold the bike straight up when checking oil window (with telescoping mirror.)

I did the filter as per the explanation just provided but as said, when putting the filter back in after wiping out the cavity, it was difficult...

I had tire put on at Honda/Suzuki/Kawasaki  Bike dealer on Franklin Blvd in Gastonia. (MS Motorsports)

Is the dealer Srinath mentioned on New Hope Rd in Gastonia?  Might it be Gaston MotorWerks instead?  (I don't deal with either of those two dealers, though I have nothing against them.)  

One day the bike will be all fixed up and running just right, but that day is not today...

Many thanks,   Smiley

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Reply #21 - 04/09/20 at 18:16:18
 
Ok...so here are all the bits inside there.

Not counting the engine case, the order they go in are:
(a) Little o-ring (sitting on the oil filter) goes over the engine oil port hole.
(b) Oil filter with the OPEN HOLE SIDE FACING IN goes on the oil port hole snug to the little o-ring.
(c) Large o-ring (goes on the oil filter cover in the obvious recess).
(d) Spring (keep this on the cover when reinstalling and push the cover and spring on simultaneously).
(e) Oil filter cover.

Pretty simple, but very easy to get that filter in backwards. When putting on the cover, push the spring onto the cover and apply gentle pressure as you make contact with the oil filter, then wiggle it slightly while holding light pressure to make sure that the spring sits into the recess on the outward side of the oil filter.

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Reply #22 - 04/09/20 at 18:17:35
 
Engine side (with the open hole)
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Reply #23 - 04/09/20 at 18:18:26
 
Outward facing side (no hole, but recess for spring)
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Reply #24 - 04/09/20 at 18:22:38
 
Spring should be sitting in the recess like this when you push the cover on.

***Spring would be on the cover when reinstalling, just removed for this visual.  If you try to cram the spring between the cover and filter while sandwiching them together it is likely you can misaligne it and not seat it properly on the cover side since you cant see up in the cover very easily.
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Reply #25 - 04/09/20 at 19:43:50
 
Doesn't the stock filter have a pressure relief type valve in it's center? I'm not sure but I think it has.
   It's a long shot but maybe this happened, If you ran heavy weight oil with a used filter for 200 miles which partially plugged up the filter then had the relief valve not work during a cold startup the extra pressure from the plugged filter and thick cold oil would have to go somewhere and popped the cover like a pimple.
  Just a thought, wish I could describe it better. Hope the engine is OK.
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Reply #26 - 04/10/20 at 07:21:26
 
Ed L. wrote on 04/09/20 at 19:43:50:
Doesn't the stock filter have a pressure relief type valve in it's center?


Everything I see has that little piece of metal welded to the center of the outer-facing side of the filter. If this wasn't meant to offer some sort of relief at a certain pressure I would think it would just be one solid stamped piece?  When I have time this weekend (and need to sneak down to the shop for a beer) I will take the old one I have and see if I can hack it open and investigate. I'm curious now   Huh
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Reply #27 - 04/10/20 at 09:48:36
 
Ed L. wrote on 04/09/20 at 19:43:50:
Doesn't the stock filter have a pressure relief type valve in it's center? I'm not sure but I think it has.
   


When mounted properly, I believe the spring allows the filter to move outwards and bypass the filter - without blowing out the aluminum cover.

This sure looks like the classic explosion that happens when the filter is installed backwards......there really is no other logical explanation.
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Reply #28 - 04/10/20 at 09:58:35
 
Dave wrote on 04/10/20 at 09:48:36:
When mounted properly, I believe the spring allows the filter to move outwards and bypass the filter - without blowing out the aluminum cover. 


Yeah, that sorta makes more sense.  Installed correctly a majority of the pressure can get through the filter and as it gets clogged with debris it can push out a little if the pressure gets too much. Backwards, there is no other relief and nearly all of the pressure is against the closed-side of the center of the filter and then, KABLAM!
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Reply #29 - 04/10/20 at 10:47:56
 
Bokobob wrote on 04/09/20 at 17:12:36:
More thanks to all.  
I hold the bike straight up when checking oil window (with telescoping mirror.)

I did the filter as per the explanation just provided but as said, when putting the filter back in after wiping out the cavity, it was difficult...

I had tire put on at Honda/Suzuki/Kawasaki  Bike dealer on Franklin Blvd in Gastonia. (MS Motorsports)

Is the dealer Srinath mentioned on New Hope Rd in Gastonia?  Might it be Gaston MotorWerks instead?  (I don't deal with either of those two dealers, though I have nothing against them.)  

One day the bike will be all fixed up and running just right, but that day is not today...

Many thanks,   Smiley





Gaston motorcycle shop is on new hope road by the school on the road that cuts through cramer mountain.
They're a pop (Andy) and nephew (Peavey) shop. Really good, but very very old school shop and yard. Peavey just talks too much.

Old fashioned junkyard - where you can go through the yard looking for parts too. I got my dirt bike FE's to slap on my cheater chopper there.

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