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Reply #30 - 04/08/20 at 20:30:36

"Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.

“Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Scott Jensen said."

That isn't CDC coding. But it is a poor way to go about it, I would have issue with it if I were in his position.

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Reply #31 - 04/08/20 at 20:32:03

"A Swing and a Miss,
Try Again"

Same for you. I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee. Try again, or even better try to have an adult conversation about the topic and not random analogies.

"I wonder if eegore now has evidence enough ?"

No. That article does not indicate to me that the reason is for CDC funding. I think it could be, I also think it could be for the reasons stated by the CDC. I, at this time, do not have enough evidence about the new coding to say that it is absolutely a funding based change.

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Reply #32 - 04/09/20 at 11:38:17

Eegore wrote on 04/08/20 at 20:32:03:
"... I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee. ..."

Sounds like you admitted, just not freely.
So who, forced you, to admit, Freedom relies on a committee?

“… have an adult conversation about the topic and not random analogies …”

Not a problem of mine, or anyone else’s, if you do not understand a concept.
Not going to waste my time any longer, ’splayin tings to ya.

“… do not have enough evidence …”

Can understand that only someone, that is affected with TDS, doesn't believe, when a copy is in front of their eyes, of the Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance, which has been mailed to all the Minn Doctors, (perhaps others also), that tells Doctors to falsify their reporting of deaths.
And the reason ?
Rather clear, ‘Someone’, wants to inflate the numbers here.
As they have been deflated in China.
The question, Why ?

Could be a form of repression suppression, coupled with Stockholm syndrome.
More research needed.
(Or as TDS affected people would say, ‘More Tin Foil’)

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Reply #33 - 04/09/20 at 12:52:22

Gonna hafta come to some other answer,,
It's a CHOICE to LIE.. Period..
Why? Well,, I have an idea, but the Big Government is the Answer folks won't agree..

Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.

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“Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Scott Jensen said.

Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.

Dr.. Jensen said for example if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate.

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Reply #34 - 04/09/20 at 13:25:53

Eegore wrote on 04/08/20 at 20:32:03:

"A Swing and a Miss,
Try Again"

Same for you. I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee. Try again, or even better try to have an adult conversation about the topic and not random analogies.

"I wonder if eegore now has evidence enough ?"

No. That article does not indicate to me that the reason is for CDC funding. I think it could be, I also think it could be for the reasons stated by the CDC. I, at this time, do not have enough evidence about the new coding to say that it is absolutely a funding based change.

Funny how all the evidence seems to need funding regardless of what the evidence is. That is why simply put we don't trust any of it. Like the doctor who orders $3000 worth of tests to put you on a medication that costs $4 a month and has no side effects.
Cool.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: The policy is, lie Reply #35 - 04/09/20 at 15:54:16 This isn't a poor way to do anything. This isn't a funding issue. This is a policy of LYING. Period, full stop.. Figuring out WHY someone would want to inflate the number of dead is up to you.
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Reply #36 - 04/09/20 at 18:01:27

"This is a policy of LYING."

I agree. Again because you have trouble understanding when I agree with you:

I
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You

I was only answering the very first sentence that You posted on this thread:

"Are they trying to scare people?"

I would say that if you go on national television stating your process, you most likely aren't going to use duplicity as a measure of strategy to scare people, since they would know your numbers are not accurate - because you went on national TV. Period. Full Stop.

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Reply #37 - 04/09/20 at 18:09:11

"Sounds like you admitted, just not freely.
So who, forced you, to admit, Freedom relies on a committee?"

Nobody, I never said "forced".

I don't think telling someone that they can not fly on an airplane removes their Freedom. Unless they detain that person, which is not the recommendation for this exact guidance.

You are concerned about the phrase "at risk for, a serious contagious disease" which makes sense, which is why I asked what part(s) you recommend for change or removal. Instead you say I admit to removal of Freedom. I am asking what you would change.

"Can understand that only someone, that is affected with TDS, doesn't believe, when a copy is in front of their eyes, of the Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance, which has been mailed to all the Minn Doctors, (perhaps others also), that tells Doctors to falsify their reporting of deaths."

What does Trump have to do with this?

"Could be a form of repression suppression, coupled with Stockholm syndrome.
More research needed.
(Or as TDS affected people would say, ‘More Tin Foil’)"

It could be many things, or a combination of things. I do not consider this to be an absolute funding grab. It could be, but this letter isn't enough for me to take to court and say "Here's proof the CDC is using this exact policy to make money".

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Reply #38 - 04/09/20 at 18:54:49

I explained how even though SOME people know about the lying, how many don't?
I'm sure you know how ignorant the average person is, and how many think for themselves. The fact that half on one ship who had been exposed to the virus were asymptomatic means nothing to lots of people..
What MATTERS is the hourly news blurb
The total dead
The number s mounting
Most people don't know
THE NUMBERS ARE LIES.
So, yeah, they are trying to scare people.
Why are they knowingly Choosing to lie?
Who gains?

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oldNslow Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2683 Rochester, NY Gender:	Re: The policy is, lie Reply #39 - 04/09/20 at 18:58:21 Quote: Figuring out WHY someone would want to inflate the number of dead ... cui bono. I don't know. But I do know this. It's time for Trump to shi*t can Fauci and Birx. They are deliberately misleading him and us.
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Reply #40 - 04/10/20 at 03:01:47

"I explained how even though SOME people know about the lying, how many don't?"

Lots. But when trying to collude and mislead the public, going on national TV to disclose the method assists in misleading how? Why go on national TV when trying to orchestrate a cover-up? If you were trying to cover up something would you go on record, on video, telling the lie?

"So, yeah, they are trying to scare people."

Why choose a less efficient method than not bringing it up, on record, in front of millions. Millions of people saw that video, about 60 million have viewed it online. How smart is it to let 60 million people in on your lie?

I think if they were using this provisional internal coding method to instill fear, they wouldn't tell millons of people about it. If they didn't mention this on national TV they would have a huge advantage. But instead they will just rely on mass ignorance to compensate.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9348 Minn Gender:	Re: The policy is, lie Reply #41 - 04/10/20 at 17:10:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xlluxI-vGQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2UCqq... And this, is who he is ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhbuHVNDMYc
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Reply #42 - 04/10/20 at 17:47:20

Eegore wrote on 04/09/20 at 18:09:11:

Nobody, I never said "forced".

Really ?

YOU, said: "... I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee. ..."

Then explain exactaly why, YOU said;
"... I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee. ..."

Then explain: "...I don't think telling someone that they can not fly on an airplane removes their Freedom ..."
Which I totaly believe it does, for for the simple reason,
'Freedom by Committee',
has decided that, "At Risk For", (which means EVERYBODY).
Except, the high ranking, 'Socialists', who,'Have papers'.
The people that don't have the, 'papers', (Or Enough BRIBE money), they are, "at Risk For", and cannot Pass.

Ain't that sompton.
The tt and clones, say 'SOCIALISM' is the NEW PROGRESSIVE WAY.

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Reply #43 - 04/10/20 at 18:08:57

" Nobody, I never said "forced".

"Really ?"

Yeah. Please point out where I said "forced" prior to that statement.

I was responding to this statement:

"Then you totally admit, freedom, is dependent on a,
person/committee."

I am not totally admitting that "freedom" is dependent on a person/committee because I don't think being told you can not get on a private airline removes your "freedom". You are free to leave, charter a private plane, file a court case, go on social media, boycott the business, etc.

If you were detained then I would say your freedom was removed. If you are drunk and are not allowed to board a plane, they did not remove your freedom. If a cabbie won't let you in a cab he didn't remove your freedom. If a State says you can't drive commercial freight without a CDL they didn't remove your freedom. If a gun dealer wont sell you a fully automatic weapon they did not remove your freedom.

So no I did not "totally admit" a revocation of freedom because my definition of freedom is obviously different than yours.

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Reply #44 - 04/10/20 at 18:26:25

Eegore wrote on 04/10/20 at 18:08:57:

"... I don't think being told you can not get on a private airline removes your "freedom".

(Now you, changed it, to a,"Private", airplane) LOLOLOL
Aw sum, DEFLECTION !!!!!

"...So no I did not "totally admit" a revocation of freedom because my definition of freedom is obviously different than yours...."

Again, explain what the word/s, 'FREELY ADMIT" means,
when YOU said:

"...I did not freely admit Freedom relies on a committee ..."

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