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04/07/20 at 14:30:59
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/colorado-man-handcuffed-front-6-year...

They even have a video....

If there is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/31/three-convicted-child-rape-r...

But, let's let these guys out....

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Reply #1 - 04/07/20 at 16:34:38
 
Absolutely Typical of a Socialist, 'environment'.
Honest Citizens are treated like crap,
by cops who do NOT know the law,
they only do what they are TOLD to do.

Yet Release Prisoners, Because of 'PC'.
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Reply #2 - 04/07/20 at 18:35:54
 
 I'm not sure this reflects the State of the Union.

 It's like saying every time a group of white guys beat up or rape some minority that the US as a Whole is racist.  It's like saying the US is attacking all Asian Americans now because of these events:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/andrew-yang-asian-americans-attacked-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/490373-attacks-on-asian-am
ericans-at-about-100-per-day-due-to

 What happened was definitely wrong, and at least where I am in CO, not supported by local agencies.  But to say the US is now handcuffing anyone outside is statistically a long ways off.
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Reply #3 - 04/08/20 at 03:40:32
 
Eegore wrote on 04/07/20 at 18:35:54:
 But to say the US is now handcuffing anyone outside is statistically a long ways off.



I didn't say anything close to that.  Why am I not surprised?  

Here is are two examples that reverberate influences in the American society.  First, government is exercising power arbitrarily through the police force.  As well as a constitutional violations, while targeting the family.


The lefts influence to manifest itself far enough to allow child rapists out of jail should speak for itself.

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Reply #4 - 04/08/20 at 05:50:39
 
"I didn't say anything close to that.  Why am I not surprised? "

 I interpret the "reflection" of the State of the Union as the current statistical positioning, performance and output.  To me, a reflection is an accurate portrayal of a person, place, or thing.  

 
"First, government is exercising power arbitrarily through the police force"

 While I agree that what happened was wrong, I do not think it fits into the "arbitrarily" category since it is legal to do.  If the Government is acting within the parameters of Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264) is it "arbitrary"?  

 I notice that often times the stance that any of this is unconstitutional or violating rights requires we ignore the current laws in place.  

 
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Reply #5 - 04/08/20 at 05:52:26
 
Eegore wrote on 04/07/20 at 18:35:54:
"... It's like saying the US is attacking all Asian Americans now because of these events: ..."  

Try again !
Not even remotely close to those links you posted,
(at least the 2 I could get to, can't read the NYT's one, because they will not let me in)

Those 'stories' you posted, reflect DFI's, actions.
They do not represent the Police State.
They do not represent what the Police have been, TOLD, to do, by government.
The Police State, (Brown Shirts, March in Lock Step).
Doing the bidding of their masters.

It is the Police, Arresting,
Which includes, a man in a park throwing a ball for his daughter,
A woman going to a storage unit.
A couple driving to the beach to watch a sunset.
4 men, playing cards, in a PRIVATE building, with the doors locked, with NO booze.
And that is the tip of the iceberg.

The Socialistic Gov of Minn, has established a, 'Hot' Line.
Will not shut down hotline to report stay-at-home order violations
https://minnesotanewsnetwork.com/walz-to-senate-gop-leader-will-not-shut-down...

Way to get a,'redlaw' working !!!!!!!!!
Those that are in a State that has allowed weed.
I want to know what your State's hotline number is,
cause I want to call it and tell them,
YOU, have a State card to use Marijuana,
AND you, bought a Gun.
(What does it say on the 4473 ?)

Again, was this virus purposely released,
and shortages of things purposely made,  
and the fear mongering by, UL DFI FDS Socialists,
on purpose,
just to get, and see how much control a government can have over shepol.  

Or is it just a wonderful opportunity,
for UL DFI FDS Socialists, to take control ?








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Reply #6 - 04/08/20 at 05:57:09
 

"They do not represent what the Police have been, TOLD, to do, by government."

 In this case law enforcement violated the order by the Governor of CO, so by definition I would say they were not doing what they were told.  

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Reply #7 - 04/08/20 at 06:31:20
 
Here is a copy of the 'Official' CDC 'Do Not Fly List'.

"... The criteria for adding people to the Do Not Board and Lookout lists are
   Known or believed to be infectious with, or at risk for, a serious contagious disease that poses a public health threat to others during travel; and any of the following three:

       not aware of diagnosis or not following public health recommendations, or
       Likely to travel on a commercial flight involving the United States or travel internationally by any means; or
       Need to issue travel restriction to respond to a public health outbreak or to help enforce a public health order.

Once a person is placed on these lists, airlines will not issue a boarding pass to the person for any commercial flight within, arriving to, or departing from ..." the United States.


Golly Gee Wally,
doesn't, '...at risk for...'
mean EVERYBODY.

Perhaps today, 'at risk for', is decided by very tight criteria.
What will it be Tomorrow ?
"  Papers NOW ! "




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Reply #8 - 04/08/20 at 06:39:39
 

 So what part of 42 U.S. Code § 264 do you want to change or remove?
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Reply #9 - 04/08/20 at 06:43:03
 
Eegore wrote on 04/08/20 at 05:50:39:
 
"First, government is exercising power arbitrarily through the police force"

 While I agree that what happened was wrong, I do not think it fits into the "arbitrarily" category since it is legal to do.  If the Government is acting within the parameters of Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264) is it "arbitrary"?  

 I notice that often times the stance that any of this is unconstitutional or violating rights requires we ignore the current laws in place.  

 



I believe it was a Colorado executive order as opposed to the federal law you cited.

https://covid19.colorado.gov/stay-home-except-essential-needs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hSyVD4wlb6evhqqrbEgypcgKMr6i8SOX/view

Engaging in outdoor activity, such as, by way of example and without limitation,
walking, hiking, nordic skiing, snowshoeing, biking or running. For purposes of
outdoor activity, State parks will remain open to the public who live in the
vicinity to engage in walking, hiking, biking, running, and similar outdoor
activities but all playgrounds, picnic areas, other similar areas conducive to public
gathering, and attended areas shall be closed. For other parks, check with the local
jurisdiction and follow any requirements for that jurisdiction.

He did meet the counties guidlines as well; henceforth, he did not violate any laws.  In no uncertain terms this was a violation of his 4th amendment rights.

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"I believe it was a Colorado executive order as opposed to the federal law you cited."

 Yeah, there is no Federal Law on this which is why I referenced Gibbons v. Ogden before.  Also I consider State Government to be government.

 Local police violated the parameters of the order, and as such I do not think they were doing what they were told to do by Federal, State, or Local forms of governing.
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"... Cameron Kaiser, state's public health officer, had banned any public gatherings on Saturday, April 4 in California. He also ordered residents to wear face covering while stepping outside their houses and that these coverings should not have visible holes like scarves or Bandanas. ..."

... State authorities informed that local law enforcement agencies have the power to enforce the order when they feel necessary. ..."

"... City Mayor from Illinois, who asked the police to arrest people defying the 'stay at home' rule has been left embarrassed by his wife who was caught while breaking up a social gathering in a bar. The Mayor of Alton issued the warnings to people on Friday, April 3, and asked everyone to stay inside and not gather in public places for their own safety..."

"... Mayor Brant Walker told during his briefing that: "These are very serious times and I'm begging you to please stay at home ... I have directed the police department to use their discretion in issuing citations or making arrests for those refusing to follow the state-issued stay-at-home mandate."..."

"...In Illinois, it is prohibited to have public and private gatherings of any number of people outside a single household or living unit...."


(Just a tiny amount of reports)


A-Yep, as JOG said.

"Nothing to see here folks"

Just turn around, go away, and let your freedom erode.
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Reply #12 - 04/08/20 at 18:11:23
 

 So what part of 42 U.S. Code § 264 needs to be changed or removed?

 Or ignore that part, complain instead, and watch your freedom erode away?
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