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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	NZ responds to mass shooting. 12/20/19 at 02:48:45 New Zealand is destroying military-style guns after ban... How hard was that? https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-50856962/new-zealand-is-destroying-mil...
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8402	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #1 - 12/20/19 at 05:20:29 It's not hard for a country with that population count, with no guarantee of firearm ownership within it's Constitution and has a very small criminal firearms industry. Lets drop 8 million firearms into criminal hands over there and see how they do.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #2 - 12/20/19 at 07:04:56 JFK is spinning in his grave. "We choose not to do this thing, because it would be hard"...
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Reply #3 - 12/20/19 at 07:13:59

Serowbot wrote on 12/20/19 at 07:04:56:

JFK is spinning in his grave.
"We choose not to do this thing, because it would be hard"…

JFK's blown away,
What else do I have to say.

Card carrying immigrant bro, sorry you gotta deal with this level of cluelessness - except they will tell you this in Mexican or Honduran or Guatemalan or teulgu.

Guns you say, why should vee have guns vee say, Gandhi says an eye for eye makes world blind, that Vee must oppovse because it makes much co2 ven all zee eyes release all the co2 into covs vich release into air, but in sveeden, oops sorry norvay vee put in beer vee make from sevvage vater and have co2 and vee drink and vee absorb co2.

Yea - Hov dare you.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 13178 Gender:	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #4 - 12/20/19 at 08:01:28 Serowbot wrote on 12/20/19 at 07:04:56: JFK is spinning in his grave. "We choose not to do this thing, because it would be hard"... "Living in a free society can sometimes be a hard thing to do." WebsterMark 2019
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Reply #5 - 12/20/19 at 08:16:17

"We choose not to do this thing, because it would be hard"

It's not choosing to do something based off of difficulty, its an issue of saying it's not hard to begin with.

Since the confiscation and destruction of weapons was easy in Country A, then it is easy in Country B. We all know that is not how things work, it is a poor comparison. This is no different than pro-gun stating how well guns work out in Israel with inaccurate claims of who is even armed.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #6 - 12/20/19 at 08:24:57 Palmetto State Armory - The owner who is a veteran says he sells freedom; his stated goal is to arm America with as a many ARs as he can. www.palmettostatearmory.com If you have the ability to put a piston in top-dead-center, you can put together an AR. Best regards,
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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #7 - 12/20/19 at 08:59:54 The #1 NATIONAL EMERGENCY is GLOBAL WARMING. I saw this in the debates, last night. Sorry, this gun thing will have to wait until after we fix that, first.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #8 - 12/20/19 at 09:09:13 raydawg wrote on 12/20/19 at 08:59:54: The #1 NATIONAL EMERGENCY is GLOBAL WARMING. I saw this in the debates, last night. Sorry, this gun thing will have to wait until after we fix that, first.
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Reply #9 - 12/20/19 at 10:38:21

pg wrote on 12/20/19 at 09:09:13:

raydawg wrote on 12/20/19 at 08:59:54:

The #1 NATIONAL EMERGENCY is GLOBAL WARMING.

I saw this in the debates, last night.

Sorry, this gun thing will have to wait until after we fix that, [b]first[/b].

Vee in Norvay oops I mean Sveeden, nooo I mean Norvay, will take guns and use vith bullets for cow vhen, cov make carbon, vich vee can put in beer to make vith sevvage and trap co2. Sevvage, not savage.

Cool.
Srinath.

And ... vait for it.

Hov dare you.

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Matchless G11 Senior Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 451 Newfoundland NJ	Re: NZ responds to mass shooting. Reply #10 - 12/20/19 at 14:06:28 Hitler had the SS gather up all the guns in Germany in two nights. Leading Germany into a safe wonderful free society for every one! Detect sarcasm please …..
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Reply #11 - 12/20/19 at 14:14:43

Eegore wrote on 12/20/19 at 05:20:29:

It's not hard for a country with that population count, with no guarantee of firearm ownership within it's Constitution and has a very small criminal firearms industry.

Lets drop 8 million firearms into criminal hands over there and see how they do.

As far as I can tell the anti gun lobby is not a threat to your constitutional right to have bear arms micro surgically attached to your body in case of a wood chipping accident.

It's mainly the type of guns. For example the Las Vegas shooter's gun stash. Automatic military assault weapons.

Granted it's easier with a small population, but the US does absolutely nothing not even the easy stuff, like better background checks. I mean seriously, only a completely deranged lunatic could object to better checks and I'm sure that there are limits to your constitutional right to guns, like if someone had a mental illness.

Eegore, it appears that you are adopting an 'all or nothing' approach and what this does is turn any progress into an all out ban. It's obvious that the US has a serious gun problem that is completely out of proportion to the population, and yet what I cannot understand is the dogged resistance to soft options like better background checks.

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Reply #12 - 12/20/19 at 15:31:37

Dude....I am typing slow.......
Hopefully, this might help.
I doubt it, but I'll try, that is just the kind of guy I am.

So......yes, better laws, indeed, like better background checks..... sure.

We can't, nor do many, care to enforce laws written now, with illegal immigration being a perfect example.

Hey...I know.

Lets do back ground checks on them, then what, send them back, deny them entry.....

Oh shoot..... that might not work, eh....Bullseye? Undecided

Keep trying, the brain is like a muscle......who knows, maybe with some more exercise, you'll be able to see reasoning is a good tool to understanding.....

You can take a breather now.... Kiss

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Reply #13 - 12/20/19 at 15:33:29

srinath wrote on 12/20/19 at 10:38:21:

pg wrote on 12/20/19 at 09:09:13:

raydawg wrote on 12/20/19 at 08:59:54:

The #1 NATIONAL EMERGENCY is GLOBAL WARMING.

I saw this in the debates, last night.

Sorry, this gun thing will have to wait until after we fix that, [b]first[/b].

Vee in Norvay oops I mean Sveeden, nooo I mean Norvay, will take guns and use vith bullets for cow vhen, cov make carbon, vich vee can put in beer to make vith sevvage and trap co2. Sevvage, not savage.

Cool.
Srinath.

And ... vait for it.

Hov dare you.

vat...youve dares me.......????

I likes mores to spin de bottle...... Kiss

gawd....do kids even do that anymore, or just go straight to intercourse?

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Reply #14 - 12/20/19 at 15:34:21

"Eegore, it appears that you are adopting an 'all or nothing' approach and what this does is turn any progress into an all out ban."

This would be incorrect, however you may have not been part of other discussions on here where we discussed firearm ownership in the US. I do believe in background checks, I do not think everyone should have a semi-automatic firearm. For instance I have brought up several times that the issue is murder rate per minute, not gun ownership in general.

The "ban knives" or "ban red cars" argument is ridiculous, until red cars and knives are used to kill 50 people in a nightclub in two minutes.

"but the US does absolutely nothing not even the easy stuff, like better background checks"

Incorrect. Things like multiple magazine capacity laws are in place. More extensive background checks are proposed in law regularly. The mechanism used in the Nevada shooting (they were not "automatic military assault weapons" by definition) was banned:

"The final rule clarifies that the definition of “machinegun” in the Gun Control Act (GCA) and National Firearms Act (NFA) includes bump-stock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter."

So to say "absolutely nothing" meaning zero action is not correct. Also to say that even implementing these laws work is incorrect.

Millions of guns are already in the hands of criminals in the US, and they don't go surrender their guns. An order to surrender assault weapons so they can be destroyed by the Government will do nothing about that.

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